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04-11-2004, 06:13 AM
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 Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated on Word 2003 for Windows 您必须知道的Windows XP的一些小秘密 自从微软发布Windows XP以来，Windows XP已*得到人们越来越广泛的应 用，微软也宣称它是迄今为止最好的操作系统。Windows XP到底有什么出色的地方？让 我先来告诉你其中的一些小秘密吧！ ●关闭自动播放功能 一旦您将媒体插入驱动器，自动运行就会从驱动器中 读取数据，这会造成程 序的设置文件和在音频媒体上的音乐立即开始。你可以用 下面这个办法关闭这个功能： 点“开始”→“运行”，在对话框中输入“gpedit.msc” →“计算机配置”→“管理 模板”→“系统”，双击“关闭自动播放”，在“设置” 中选“已启用”，确定即可。 ●使ZIP文档读取能力失效 Windows XP默认支持.ZIP文档，但系统会为此耗费大量资源，你可 以将这一 功能关闭，只需在“开始”选单的“运行”中输入“regs vr32/u zipfldr.dll”即可。 ●卸载无用的动态链接 资源管理器*常在内存中留下无用的动态链接，为了 消除这种现象，你可以 打开注册表编*器，设置键值： HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionxplorer AlwaysUnloadDLL=DWORD: 1将其设为0，这一功能就会被关闭。注意：为了让设置生 效，需要重新启动计算机。 ●消除Windows文档保护功能 为了完全消除Windows文档保护功能，打开注册表编 *器，设置键值： HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE SOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionWinlogon SFCDisable=0xFFFFFF9D ●查看驱动器组件信息 右键点击“我的电脑”，点选弹出选单中的“管理” ，依次打开“可移动存 储”→“库”，用右键点击所要查询的驱动器，点选弹出 选单中的“属性”，点选“设 备信息”就可看到驱动器的信息了。 ●在关机时清空页面文件 打开“控制面板”，点击“管理工具”→“本地安全 策略”→“本地策略” →“安全选项”，双击其中“关机：清理虚拟内存页面文 件”一项，点击弹出选单中的 “已启用”选项，单击“确定”即可 作者:王涛 帐号:wangtao1986@hotmail.com |
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04-12-2004, 02:01 AM
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| Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord 2003 for Windows Sorry Wangtao: We can't read Chinese here, and we know nothing about Windows XP. This is a Macintosh-platform group conducted in English. Maybe someone in the Japanese group can help? Cheers This responds to article <#UDXQP4HEHA.2556@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, from "wangtao" <wangtao1986@hotmail.com> on 11/4/04 3:13 PM: > 您必须知道的Windows XP的一些小秘密 > > > > 自从微软发布Windows XP以来，Windows XP已*得到人们越来越广泛的应 > 用，微软也宣称它是迄今为止最好的操作系统。Windows XP到底有什么出色的地方？让 > 我先来告诉你其中的一些小秘密吧！ > > ●关闭自动播放功能 > > > 一旦您将媒体插入驱动器，自动运行就会从驱动器中 读取数据，这会造成程 > 序的设置文件和在音频媒体上的音乐立即开始。你可以用 下面这个办法关闭这个功能： > 点“开始”→“运行”，在对话框中输入“gpedit.msc” →“计算机配置”→“管理 > 模板”→“系统”，双击“关闭自动播放”，在“设置” 中选“已启用”，确定即可。 > > ●使ZIP文档读取能力失效 > > Windows XP默认支持.ZIP文档，但系统会为此耗费大量资源，你可 以将这一 > 功能关闭，只需在“开始”选单的“运行”中输入“regs vr32/u zipfldr.dll”即可。 > > ●卸载无用的动态链接 > > 资源管理器*常在内存中留下无用的动态链接，为了 消除这种现象，你可以 > 打开注册表编*器，设置键值： > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionxplorer > AlwaysUnloadDLL=DWORD: 1将其设为0，这一功能就会被关闭。注意：为了让设置生 > 效，需要重新启动计算机。 > > ●消除Windows文档保护功能 > > 为了完全消除Windows文档保护功能，打开注册表编 *器，设置键值： > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE SOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionWinlogon > SFCDisable=0xFFFFFF9D > > ●查看驱动器组件信息 > > 右键点击“我的电脑”，点选弹出选单中的“管理” ，依次打开“可移动存 > 储”→“库”，用右键点击所要查询的驱动器，点选弹出 选单中的“属性”，点选“设 > 备信息”就可看到驱动器的信息了。 > > ●在关机时清空页面文件 > > 打开“控制面板”，点击“管理工具”→“本地安全 策略”→“本地策略” > →“安全选项”，双击其中“关机：清理虚拟内存页面文 件”一项，点击弹出选单中的 > “已启用”选项，单击“确定”即可 > > 作者:王涛 > 帐号:wangtao1986@hotmail.com > > -- Please respond only to the newsgroup to preserve the thread. John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer, McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name |
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04-12-2004, 02:17 AM
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| Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord 2003for Windows Looks more like greek to me "John McGhie [MVP - Word]" wrote: > > Sorry Wangtao: > > We can't read Chinese here, and we know nothing about Windows XP. This is a > Macintosh-platform group conducted in English. Maybe someone in the > Japanese group can help? > > Cheers > > This responds to article <#UDXQP4HEHA.2556@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, from > "wangtao" <wangtao1986@hotmail.com> on 11/4/04 3:13 PM: > > > 您必须知道的Windows XP的一些小秘密 > > > > > > > > x源游⑷矸2*Windows XP以来，Windows XP已*柕玫*人们*来*1惴旱挠| > > 用，微软2宣3扑瞧*裎1x詈玫2賦飨低3。Windows XP*祒有2么3錾牡胤*？让 > > 我先来告诉你其中的一些小秘密吧！ > > > > ●1乇誼远2シ1|能 > > > > > > 一旦您**体2迦肭鳎瑇远诵*突岽忧髦 读取数*荩饣嵩33 > > 序的设置文*驮谝羝得*体上的音乐立*纯*。你可以用 下面这个办法1乇照飧1|能： > > 点“开*”→“运行”，在对话框中输入“gpedit.msc” →“*扑慊渲谩薄1芾 > > 模板”→“系3”，双击“1乇誼远2シ拧保凇吧柚谩 中选“已启用”，确定*纯伞 > > > > ●1ZIP文档读取能羭失效 > > > > Windows XP默认支3.ZIP文档，但系3会为此耗费大量x试矗憧 以*庖 > > 1|能1乇眨恍柙凇翱*”选单的“运行”中输入“regs vr32/u zipfldr.dll”*纯伞 > > > > ●卸载无用的动态链* > > > > x试1芾砥*3Ｔ谀诖嬷辛粝挛抻玫亩*樱 消3庵窒窒螅憧梢 > > 打开x2岜肀*柶鳎柚*担 > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionxplorer > > AlwaysUnloadDLL=DWORD: 1*渖栉0，这一1|能*突岜1乇铡⒁猓何巳蒙柚蒙 > > 效，需要重新启动*扑慊 > > > > ●消3齏indows文档保粈1|能 > > > > 为了完全消3齏indows文档保粈1|能，打开x2岜肀* 柶鳎柚*担 > > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE SOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionWinlogon > > SFCDisable=0xFFFFFF9D > > > > ●2榭辞鱴*畔 > > > > 右*慊鳌拔业牡缒浴保阊〉3鲅〉ブ械摹1芾怼 ，依次打开“可移动存 > > 储”→“库”，用右*慊魉2檠那鳎阊〉3 选单中的“属性”，点选“设 > > 备信息”*涂煽吹*驱动器的信息了。 > > > > ●在1鼗鼻蹇找3面文* > > > > 打开“控制面板”，点击“1芾1*摺薄氨*地2全 2呗浴薄氨*地2呗浴 > > →“2全选项”，双击其中“1鼗呵謇硇槟饽诖嬉3面文 *币幌睿慊鞯3鲅〉ブ械 > > “已启用”选项，单击“确定”*纯 > > > > x髡:王涛 > > 帐号:wangtao1986@hotmail.com > > > > > > -- > > Please respond only to the newsgroup to preserve the thread. > > John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer, > McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd > Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs > +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! mailto  jones@kimbanet.com<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm> <http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm> <http://vpea.exis.net> |
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04-12-2004, 05:20 AM
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| Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord2003 for Windows Try setting Format/Character Set to Simplified Chinese (GB-2312) in an email app that can do it, like Entourage. Your Mozilla client sent it back erroneously as IS) 8859-1, which it isn't. Entourage would have been able to read the original in "Automatic" and would have known to reply in either GB-2312 or in UTF-8, which would be fine. I never saw the original, but if you read John's reply in Mozilla, it ought to hav e been OK if he sent it from Entourage, as he usually does, and your reader (Mozilla, or whatever variety you have) would be at fault. -- Paul Berkowitz MVP Entourage Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html> AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/> Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be ignored. PLEASE always state which version of Entourage you are using - 2001 or X. It's often impossible to answer your questions otherwise. > From: "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@kimbanet.com> > Organization: VPEA > Reply-To: <pjones1@kimbanet.com> > Newsgroups: > microsoft.public.mac.office.word,microsoft.public. word.conversions,microsoft.p > ublic.jp.officexp.word > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:17:56 -0400 > Subject: Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord > 2003 for Windows > > Looks more like greek to me > > "John McGhie [MVP - Word]" wrote: >> >> Sorry Wangtao: >> >> We can't read Chinese here, and we know nothing about Windows XP. This is a >> Macintosh-platform group conducted in English. Maybe someone in the >> Japanese group can help? >> >> Cheers >> >> This responds to article <#UDXQP4HEHA.2556@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, from >> "wangtao" <wangtao1986@hotmail.com> on 11/4/04 3:13 PM: >> >>> 鎮ㄥ繀椤荤煡閬撶殑Windows XP鐨勪竴浜涘皬绉樺瘑 >>> >>> >>> >>> x婧愭父鈶风煾锟2*Windows XP浠ユ潵锛學indows XP宸*聳寰楋拷*浜轰滑锟*鏉ワ拷*1鎯存棻鎸*| >>> 鐢紝寰蒋锟2瀹3鎵戯拷鐬э拷*瑁庯拷1x瑭堢帿锟 2锟絰椋ㄤ綆3銆俉indows XP锟*锟絰鏈夛拷2涔3閷撅拷鐗¤儰*锛熻 >>> 鎴戝厛鏉ュ憡璇変*鍏朵*鐨勪竴浜涘皬绉樺瘑鍚э紒 >>> >>> 銆銆鈼1涔囷拷x杩滐拷2銈凤拷1|鑳 >>> >>> >>> 銆銆涓鏃︽偍*锟*浣2杩﹁*锟斤拷槌庯拷x杩滐拷 锟*绐佸步蹇э拷锟介鍗稿鈭堬拷*鑽╋拷楗ｅ旦 拷3锟3锟 >>> 搴忕殑璁剧疆鏂*锟介┊璋濈緷寰*浣撲笂鐨勯煶涔愮珛 *绾拷*銆備*鍙互鐢ㄤ笅闈㈣繖涓姙娉1涔囩収椋э拷1|鑳斤細 >>> 鐐光滃紑锟*鈥濃啋鈥滆繍琛屸濓紝鍦ㄥ璇濇涓* 緭鍏モ済pedit.msc鈥 鈫掆*鎵戞厞锟芥覆璋╄杽锟斤拷1鑺撅拷 >>> 妯℃澘鈥濃啋鈥滅郴锟3鈥濓紝鍙屽嚮鈥1涔囷拷x杩滐 2銈锋嫥淇濓拷鍑囧惂鏌氳癌鏁濋啋銆鑰欏搼绮茶癌淇 锟借寖锟*绾紴锟 >>> >>> 銆銆鈼忥拷1ZIP鏂囨。璇诲彇鑳斤拷|澶辨晥 >>> >>> 銆銆Windows XP榛樿鏀3锟.ZIP鏂囨。锛屼絾绯伙拷3浼氫负*よ 璐瑰ぇ閲弜璇曠煑锟芥啩姊拷*锟藉簴锟 >>> 1|鑳1涔囩湪锟芥亶鏌欏噰缈憋拷*鈥濋夊崟鐨勨滆繍 鈥濅*杈撳叆鈥渞egsvr32/u zipfldr.dll鈥*绾紴锟 >>> >>> 銆銆鈼忓嵏杞芥*鐢ㄧ殑鍔ㄦ侀摼*锟 >>> >>> 銆銆x璇曪拷1鑺剧*ワ拷*聳3锛磋皜璇栧杈涚矟鎸涙娀鐜憨锟斤拷锟*妯 憋拷锟借锟3锟藉旱绐掔獟铻咃拷鎲фⅱ锟 >>> 鎵撳紑x锟2宀滆個锟*聳鍣紝璁剧疆*锟芥媴锟 >>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionxplorer >>> AlwaysUnloadDLL=DWORD: 1*锟芥笘*夛拷0锛岃繖涓1|鑳*绐佸矞锟1涔囬摗锟絰鈷佺寭浣曪 拷宸宠挋鏌氳挋锟 >>> 鏁堬紝闇瑕侀噸鏂板惎鍔*鎵戞厞锟斤拷 >>> >>> 銆銆鈼忔秷3锟絎indows鏂囨。淇濓拷锟1|鑳 >>> >>> 銆銆涓轰簡瀹屽叏娑3锟絎indows鏂囨。淇濓拷锟1| 兘锛屾墦寮x锟2宀滆個锟*聳鍣紝璁剧疆*锟芥媴锟 >>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE SOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionWinlogon >>> SFCDisable=0xFFFFFF9D >>> >>> 銆銆鈼2姒*杈烇拷锟斤拷x锟*锟界晹锟 >>> >>> 銆銆鍙*锟芥厞槌屾嫈涓氱墶缂掓荡淇濓拷闃娿夛拷3 椴呫夈儢姊版懝锟1鑺炬间繚锟芥潵鏈毄锟界勘姊㈣ 传锟斤拷 >>> 鍌ㄢ濃啋鈥滃簱鈥濓紝鐢ㄥ彸*锟芥厞*夛拷锟2妾*锟介偅锟斤拷槌庯拷闃娿夛拷3椴呫夈儢姊版懝绗嗙矞 荡淇濓拷闃娿鍚э拷 >>> 澶囦俊鎭*娑傜吔鍚*椹卞姩鍣ㄧ殑淇℃伅浜嗐 >>> >>> 銆銆鈼忓湪1榧楋拷榧昏箛鎵3闈㈡枃*锟 >>> >>> 銆銆鎵撳紑鈥滄帶鍒堕潰鏉库濓紝鐐瑰嚮鈥1鑺撅拷1 锟*鎽鸿杽锟芥皑*鍦帮拷2鍏2鍛楁荡钖勶拷姘*鍦2鍛 楁荡锟 >>> 鈫掆滐拷2鍏ㄩ夐」鈥濓紝鍙屽嚮鍏朵*鈥1榧楋拷鍛 璎囩妲熼ソ璇栧瑝3闈㈡枃*锟藉竵骞岀澘锟芥厞闉拷 3椴呫夈儢姊帮拷 >>> 鈥滃凡鍚敤鈥濋夐」锛屽崟鍑烩滅‘瀹氣*绾拷 >>> >>> x楂★拷:鐜嬫稕 >>> 甯愬彿:wangtao1986@hotmail.com >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> Please respond only to the newsgroup to preserve the thread. >> >> John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer, >> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd >> Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs >> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling > 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868 > Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! > > mailto jones@kimbanet.com> > <http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm> > <http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm> > <http://vpea.exis.net> |
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04-12-2004, 04:37 PM
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| Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord2003for Windows Mozilla/Communicator/Thunderbird have 8859-1 set as default though all are capable viewing any of th "ese's" and Moz/Tbird are capable of UNICODE in OSX. The reason for setting 8859-1 as default is that 99.999% of Email newsgroup traffic is english (americam British, Austrailian aware. I've been an internet user about 10 years starting with buliten Boards and 300 baud modems. And in all thouse years I've probably run across 20 messages that were of the "ese" variety. more than half were spam, often judging from the included pictures probably porn. So the the idea its a defect of a particular browser is nonsense. I refuse to use Entourage/OE/IE due to all the back door weaknesses for key loggers/spyware/adware and the use of ActiveX which the way MS implimentsit is far more dangerous than Java ever was. And the fact I like the outline type system that Mozilla products use for Email newsgroups. Paul Berkowitz wrote: > > Try setting Format/Character Set to Simplified Chinese (GB-2312) in an email > app that can do it, like Entourage. Your Mozilla client sent it back > erroneously as IS) 8859-1, which it isn't. Entourage would have been able to > read the original in "Automatic" and would have known to reply in either > GB-2312 or in UTF-8, which would be fine. I never saw the original, but if > you read John's reply in Mozilla, it ought to hav e been OK if he sent it > from Entourage, as he usually does, and your reader (Mozilla, or whatever > variety you have) would be at fault. > > -- > Paul Berkowitz > MVP Entourage > Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html> > AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/> > > Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be > ignored. > > PLEASE always state which version of Entourage you are using - 2001 or X. > It's often impossible to answer your questions otherwise. > > > From: "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@kimbanet.com> > > Organization: VPEA > > Reply-To: <pjones1@kimbanet.com> > > Newsgroups: > > microsoft.public.mac.office.word,microsoft.public. word.conversions,microsoft.p > > ublic.jp.officexp.word > > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:17:56 -0400 > > Subject: Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord > > 2003 for Windows > > > > Looks more like greek to me > > > > "John McGhie [MVP - Word]" wrote: > >> > >> Sorry Wangtao: > >> > >> We can't read Chinese here, and we know nothing about Windows XP. This is a > >> Macintosh-platform group conducted in English. Maybe someone in the > >> Japanese group can help? > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> This responds to article <#UDXQP4HEHA.2556@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, from > >> "wangtao" <wangtao1986@hotmail.com> on 11/4/04 3:13 PM: > >> > >>> 鎮ㄥ繀椤荤煡*撶s刉indows XP鐂勪竴浜疱*绉樺 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> x婧*娓糕懛鐭革*2*Windows XP浠ユ*ワ*學indows XP宸2*聳*楋**浜轰滑锟***ワ**1鎯存棻鎸*| > >>> 鐢*屽***2瀹3鎵戯**э**瑁*锟*1x瑭堢** 2锟*x椋ㄤ**3銆俉indows XP锟**锟*x鏈夛*213閷*锟*鐗¤儉**熻 > >>> 鎴戝厛*ュ慡璇変**鍏朵笘鐂勪竴浜疱*绉樺*э** > >>> > >>> 銆銆鈼*11*x杩滐*2銈凤*1|鑳* > >>> > >>> > >>> 銆銆涓鏃|鎮*锟***2杩|鑲栵*锟*3*锟*x杩滐* 锟**绐*2*蹇э*锟*楂|*稿鈭堬***╋*楗ｅ旦 *3锟*3锟* > >>> 搴*鐂勮**桚*锟*椹******撲窼鐂勯*绔 *绾**銆備***互鐢ㄤ感*㈣繖涓S*3収椋э*1|鑳**s > >>> 鐐1鈥滃*锟**鈥*廨掆滆*琛屸**屽湪瀵1璇*妗蒌笘 *撳叆鈥済pedit.msc鈥* 廨掆*鎵戞匰锟*娓2璋╄杽锟*锟*1鑃*锟* > >>> 妯℃*库*廨掆滅3伙*3鈥**屽*屽鈥*x杩滐 *2銈锋效淇*锟*妪*ф焥璋╂*檩掋鑰欏搼22璋╀* 锟*鑼冿**绾**锟* > >>> > >>> 銆銆鈼*锟*1ZIP鏂。璇诲*栬*锟*|鍊辨晥 > >>> > >>> 銆銆Windows XP榛樿畝鏀3锟*.ZIP鏂。*屼*葭3伙*3*s涓烘杸鑰 璐1鍊ч*x璇曠煑锟*孑фⅱ锟**锟*搴栵* > >>> 1|鑳*11湪锟***鏌欏缈憋**鈥*閫夊*曠s勨滆* 鈥*涓栬*撳叆鈥渞egsvr32/u zipfldr.dll鈥**绾**锟* > >>> > >>> 銆銆鈼**歌**鏃*鐢ㄧs勫Sㄦ*閾**锟* > >>> > >>> 銆銆x璇曪*1鑃**ワ**聳3*磋皜璇栧*痃2*鎸疰S荤*憨锟*锟*锟**妯 憋*锟*璁*锟*3锟*搴电獟绐掕*咃*孑фⅱ锟* > >>> 鎵撳*x锟*22滆個锟**聳鍣*岃***锟*嫘咃* > >>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionxplorer > >>> AlwaysUnloadDLL=DWORD: 1*锟*娓栨*夛*0*岃繖涓1|鑳**绐*2滐*11摗锟*x鈷*鐚撲*曪 *宸3钂欐焥钂欙* > >>> 鏁堬*岄渶鑭*辇*鏂板*S*鎵戞匰锟*锟* > >>> > >>> 銆銆鈼*娑3锟*Windows鏂。淇*锟*锟*1|鑳* > >>> > >>> 銆銆涓轰狠瀹屽叏娑3锟*Windows鏂。淇*锟*锟*1| **屾墦*x锟*22滆個锟**聳鍣*岃***锟*嫘咃* > >>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE SOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionWinlogon > >>> SFCDisable=0xFFFFFF9D > >>> > >>> 銆銆鈼*2鎩栬**锟*锟*锟*x锟**锟*鐣旓* > >>> > >>> 銆銆*3*锟*鎱S3屾袛涓s鐗＄*掓荡淇*锟*闃S銆夛*3 2呫夈儢姊版1锟*1鑃*鎬*淇*锟**ユ湭鑣╋*缈辨ⅱ 传锟*锟* > >>> 鍌ㄢ*廨掆滃簱鈥**岀敤*3*锟*鎱S闁夛*锟*2妾*锟*閭ｏ*锟*3*锟*闃S銆夛*32呫夈儢姊版1绗葭2滄 荡淇*锟*闃S銆*э* > >>> 鍊俊***娑傜**1*椹卞Sㄥ櫒鐂勪俊*狠銆 > >>> > >>> 銆銆鈼*鍦1*楋**昏1*3*㈡桚*锟* > >>> > >>> 銆銆鎵撳*鈥滄*у埗*㈡*库**岀1妪烩1鑃*锟*1 锟**鎽鸿杽锟*姘*鍦帮*2鍏2鍛楁荡钖勶*姘*鍦2鍛 楁荡锟* > >>> 廨掆滐*2鍏ㄩ夐1鈥**屽*屽鍏朵笘鈥1*楋*鍛 璎↓妲熼*璇栧瑝3*㈡桚*锟*甯*1岀*匡*鎱S** 32呫夈儢姊帮* > >>> 鈥滃2*敤鈥*閫夐1*屽*曞鈥滅‘瀹s鈥**绾* > >>> > >>> x楂★*:*墟娥 > >>> 甯**:wangtao1986@hotmail.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Please respond only to the newsgroup to preserve the thread. > >> > >> John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer, > >> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd > >> Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs > >> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name > > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling > > 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868 > > Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! > > > > mailto jones@kimbanet.com> > > > <http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm> > > <http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm> > > <http://vpea.exis.net> -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! mailto jones@kimbanet.com<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm> <http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm> <http://vpea.exis.net> |
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| Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord2003for Windows PS PS: even when setting to chinese that still doesn't help me read chinese. I did switch to the format you said to tryout. It did show the chinese characters. But didn't help me figure out what it said. If you want a language useful you should switch and be able to see the english translation. I'm not a Rhodes Scholar, or an MIT type that knows how to read every language in the world. <grin> "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." wrote: > > Mozilla/Communicator/Thunderbird have 8859-1 set as default though all are > capable viewing any of th "ese's" and Moz/Tbird are capable of UNICODE in > OSX. The reason for setting 8859-1 as default is that 99.999% of Email > newsgroup traffic is english (americam British, Austrailian aware. I've been > an internet user about 10 years starting with buliten Boards and 300 baud > modems. And in all thouse years I've probably run across 20 messages that > were of the "ese" variety. more than half were spam, often judging from the > included pictures probably porn. > > So the the idea its a defect of a particular browser is nonsense. > > I refuse to use Entourage/OE/IE due to all the back door weaknesses for key > loggers/spyware/adware and the use of ActiveX which the way MS implimentsit > is far more dangerous than Java ever was. And the fact I like the outline > type system that Mozilla products use for Email newsgroups. > > Paul Berkowitz wrote: > > > > Try setting Format/Character Set to Simplified Chinese (GB-2312) in an email > > app that can do it, like Entourage. Your Mozilla client sent it back > > erroneously as IS) 8859-1, which it isn't. Entourage would have been able to > > read the original in "Automatic" and would have known to reply in either > > GB-2312 or in UTF-8, which would be fine. I never saw the original, but if > > you read John's reply in Mozilla, it ought to hav e been OK if he sent it > > from Entourage, as he usually does, and your reader (Mozilla, or whatever > > variety you have) would be at fault. > > > > -- > > Paul Berkowitz > > MVP Entourage > > Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html> > > AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/> > > > > Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be > > ignored. > > > > PLEASE always state which version of Entourage you are using - 2001 or X. > > It's often impossible to answer your questions otherwise. > > > > > From: "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@kimbanet.com> > > > Organization: VPEA > > > Reply-To: <pjones1@kimbanet.com> > > > Newsgroups: > > > microsoft.public.mac.office.word,microsoft.public. word.conversions,microsoft.p > > > ublic.jp.officexp.word > > > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:17:56 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord > > > 2003 for Windows > > > > > > Looks more like greek to me > > > > > > "John McGhie [MVP - Word]" wrote: > > >> > > >> Sorry Wangtao: > > >> > > >> We can't read Chinese here, and we know nothing about Windows XP. This is a > > >> Macintosh-platform group conducted in English. Maybe someone in the > > >> Japanese group can help? > > >> > > >> Cheers > > >> > > >> This responds to article <#UDXQP4HEHA.2556@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, from > > >> "wangtao" <wangtao1986@hotmail.com> on 11/4/04 3:13 PM: > > >> > > >>> 鎮ㄥ繀椤荤煡*撶s刉indows XP鐂勪竴浜疱*绉樺 > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> x婧*娓糕懛鐭革*2*Windows XP浠ユ*ワ*學indows XP宸2*聳*楋**浜轰滑锟***ワ**1鎯存棻鎸*| > > >>> 鐢*屽***2瀹3鎵戯**э**瑁*锟*1x瑭堢** 2锟*x椋ㄤ**3銆俉indows XP锟**锟*x鏈夛*213閷*锟*鐗¤儉**熻 > > >>> 鎴戝厛*ュ慡璇変**鍏朵笘鐂勪竴浜疱*绉樺*э** > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆鈼*11*x杩滐*2銈凤*1|鑳* > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆涓鏃|鎮*锟***2杩|鑲栵*锟*3*锟*x杩滐* 锟**绐*2*蹇э*锟*楂|*稿鈭堬***╋*楗ｅ旦 *3锟*3锟* > > >>> 搴*鐂勮**桚*锟*椹******撲窼鐂勯*绔 *绾**銆備***互鐢ㄤ感*㈣繖涓S*3収椋э*1|鑳**s > > >>> 鐐1鈥滃*锟**鈥*廨掆滆*琛屸**屽湪瀵1璇*妗蒌笘 *撳叆鈥済pedit.msc鈥* 廨掆*鎵戞匰锟*娓2璋╄杽锟*锟*1鑃*锟* > > >>> 妯℃*库*廨掆滅3伙*3鈥**屽*屽鈥*x杩滐 *2銈锋效淇*锟*妪*ф焥璋╂*檩掋鑰欏搼22璋╀* 锟*鑼冿**绾**锟* > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆鈼*锟*1ZIP鏂。璇诲*栬*锟*|鍊辨晥 > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆Windows XP榛樿畝鏀3锟*.ZIP鏂。*屼*葭3伙*3*s涓烘杸鑰 璐1鍊ч*x璇曠煑锟*孑фⅱ锟**锟*搴栵* > > >>> 1|鑳*11湪锟***鏌欏缈憋**鈥*閫夊*曠s勨滆* 鈥*涓栬*撳叆鈥渞egsvr32/u zipfldr.dll鈥**绾**锟* > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆鈼**歌**鏃*鐢ㄧs勫Sㄦ*閾**锟* > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆x璇曪*1鑃**ワ**聳3*磋皜璇栧*痃2*鎸疰S荤*憨锟*锟*锟**妯 憋*锟*璁*锟*3锟*搴电獟绐掕*咃*孑фⅱ锟* > > >>> 鎵撳*x锟*22滆個锟**聳鍣*岃***锟*嫘咃* > > >>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionxplorer > > >>> AlwaysUnloadDLL=DWORD: 1*锟*娓栨*夛*0*岃繖涓1|鑳**绐*2滐*11摗锟*x鈷*鐚撲*曪 *宸3钂欐焥钂欙* > > >>> 鏁堬*岄渶鑭*辇*鏂板*S*鎵戞匰锟*锟* > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆鈼*娑3锟*Windows鏂。淇*锟*锟*1|鑳* > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆涓轰狠瀹屽叏娑3锟*Windows鏂。淇*锟*锟*1| **屾墦*x锟*22滆個锟**聳鍣*岃***锟*嫘咃* > > >>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE SOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionWinlogon > > >>> SFCDisable=0xFFFFFF9D > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆鈼*2鎩栬**锟*锟*锟*x锟**锟*鐣旓* > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆*3*锟*鎱S3屾袛涓s鐗＄*掓荡淇*锟*闃S銆夛*3 2呫夈儢姊版1锟*1鑃*鎬*淇*锟**ユ湭鑣╋*缈辨ⅱ 传锟*锟* > > >>> 鍌ㄢ*廨掆滃簱鈥**岀敤*3*锟*鎱S闁夛*锟*2妾*锟*閭ｏ*锟*3*锟*闃S銆夛*32呫夈儢姊版1绗葭2滄 荡淇*锟*闃S銆*э* > > >>> 鍊俊***娑傜**1*椹卞Sㄥ櫒鐂勪俊*狠銆 > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆鈼*鍦1*楋**昏1*3*㈡桚*锟* > > >>> > > >>> 銆銆鎵撳*鈥滄*у埗*㈡*库**岀1妪烩1鑃*锟*1 锟**鎽鸿杽锟*姘*鍦帮*2鍏2鍛楁荡钖勶*姘*鍦2鍛 楁荡锟* > > >>> 廨掆滐*2鍏ㄩ夐1鈥**屽*屽鍏朵笘鈥1*楋*鍛 璎↓妲熼*璇栧瑝3*㈡桚*锟*甯*1岀*匡*鎱S** 32呫夈儢姊帮* > > >>> 鈥滃2*敤鈥*閫夐1*屽*曞鈥滅‘瀹s鈥**绾* > > >>> > > >>> x楂★*:*墟娥 > > >>> 甯**:wangtao1986@hotmail.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> Please respond only to the newsgroup to preserve the thread. > > >> > > >> John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer, > > >> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd > > >> Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs > > >> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name > > > > > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling > > > 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868 > > > Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! > > > > > > mailto jones@kimbanet.com> > > > > > <http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm> > > > <http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm> > > > <http://vpea.exis.net> > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling > 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868 > Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! > > mailto jones@kimbanet.com> > <http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm> > <http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm> > <http://vpea.exis.net> -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! mailto jones@kimbanet.com<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm> <http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm> <http://vpea.exis.net> |
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04-12-2004, 05:32 PM
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| Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generatedonWord2003 for Windows On 4/12/04 8:37 AM, in article 407AB7CB.46DE007A@kimbanet.com, "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@kimbanet.com> wrote: > Mozilla/Communicator/Thunderbird have 8859-1 set as default though all are > capable viewing any of th "ese's" and Moz/Tbird are capable of UNICODE in > OSX. The reason for setting 8859-1 as default is that 99.999% of Email > newsgroup traffic is english (americam British, Austrailian aware. I've been > an internet user about 10 years starting with buliten Boards and 300 baud > modems. And in all thouse years I've probably run across 20 messages that > were of the "ese" variety. more than half were spam, often judging from the > included pictures probably porn. > > So the the idea its a defect of a particular browser is nonsense. But you've just verified that it was the problem. Mozilla did not correctly identify the character set and reply in kind. But it's quite possible that the original, as sent from Windows, did not contain a charset= header: I've seen that in some other news articles posted in these newsgroups, usually from a web-based Microsoft Windows browser. So that's what we should probably balme. > > I refuse to use Entourage/OE/IE due to all the back door weaknesses for key > loggers/spyware/adware and the use of ActiveX which the way MS implimentsit > is far more dangerous than Java ever was. And the fact I like the outline > type system that Mozilla products use for Email newsgroups. There is NO ActiveX in Entourage, and you can easily block the HTML trawlers by turning off "Allow interaction" preference for HTML mail - or even turn off all Complex HTML mail completely. You seem to be about 5 years out of date, Phillip. Turning off those preferences gives you identical protection. (In OE you had to use a hack to do it - in Entourage it's a pref.) -- Paul Berkowitz MVP Entourage Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html> AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/> Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be ignored. |
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04-13-2004, 09:12 AM
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| Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord2003 for Windows It was GB-2312. I checked. And I did send from Entourage :-) This responds to article <BC9F6732.5FF09%berkowit@spoof_silcom.com>, from "Paul Berkowitz" <berkowit@spoof_silcom.com> on 12/4/04 2:20 PM: > Try setting Format/Character Set to Simplified Chinese (GB-2312) in an email > app that can do it, like Entourage. Your Mozilla client sent it back > erroneously as IS) 8859-1, which it isn't. Entourage would have been able to > read the original in "Automatic" and would have known to reply in either > GB-2312 or in UTF-8, which would be fine. I never saw the original, but if > you read John's reply in Mozilla, it ought to hav e been OK if he sent it > from Entourage, as he usually does, and your reader (Mozilla, or whatever > variety you have) would be at fault. -- Please respond only to the newsgroup to preserve the thread. John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer, McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name |
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04-13-2004, 10:24 AM
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| Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generatedonWord2003 for Windows Hey Phillip: Face it, your newsreader is stuffed :-) Yes, the original was missing its charset line. I saw this immediately in Entourage, and was able to choose the one that would correctly display the Kanzi. When I replied, I suspect Entourage chose to send in Unicode, since I don't have Chinese installed. Nobody is forcing you to adopt Entourage: we just find it amusing that you keep referring to "problems" we haven't had for years :-) It sorta detracts from the very worthwhile advice you give around here. Every now and again, even you will get one wrong. At that point, why not just admit it -- with as much ill-grace as I do if you must -- and move on? Cheers This responds to article <407AB7CB.46DE007A@kimbanet.com>, from "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@kimbanet.com> on 13/4/04 1:37 AM: > Mozilla/Communicator/Thunderbird have 8859-1 set as default though all are > capable viewing any of th "ese's" and Moz/Tbird are capable of UNICODE in > OSX. The reason for setting 8859-1 as default is that 99.999% of Email > newsgroup traffic is english (americam British, Austrailian aware. I've been > an internet user about 10 years starting with buliten Boards and 300 baud > modems. And in all thouse years I've probably run across 20 messages that > were of the "ese" variety. more than half were spam, often judging from the > included pictures probably porn. > > So the the idea its a defect of a particular browser is nonsense. > > I refuse to use Entourage/OE/IE due to all the back door weaknesses for key > loggers/spyware/adware and the use of ActiveX which the way MS implimentsit > is far more dangerous than Java ever was. And the fact I like the outline > type system that Mozilla products use for Email newsgroups. > > Paul Berkowitz wrote: >> >> Try setting Format/Character Set to Simplified Chinese (GB-2312) in an email >> app that can do it, like Entourage. Your Mozilla client sent it back >> erroneously as IS) 8859-1, which it isn't. Entourage would have been able to >> read the original in "Automatic" and would have known to reply in either >> GB-2312 or in UTF-8, which would be fine. I never saw the original, but if >> you read John's reply in Mozilla, it ought to hav e been OK if he sent it >> from Entourage, as he usually does, and your reader (Mozilla, or whatever >> variety you have) would be at fault. >> >> -- >> Paul Berkowitz >> MVP Entourage >> Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html> >> AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/> >> >> Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. 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GMT + 10 Hrs >>>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name >>> >>> -- >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling >>> 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868 >>> Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! >>> >>> mailto jones@kimbanet.com>>> >>> <http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm> >>> <http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm> >>> <http://vpea.exis.net> -- Please respond only to the newsgroup to preserve the thread. John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer, McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name |
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| Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord2003for Windows John McGhie [MVP - Word] wrote: > Hey Phillip: > > Face it, your newsreader is stuffed :-) > > Yes, the original was missing its charset line. I saw this immediately in > Entourage, and was able to choose the one that would correctly display the > Kanzi. > > When I replied, I suspect Entourage chose to send in Unicode, since I don't > have Chinese installed. > > Nobody is forcing you to adopt Entourage: we just find it amusing that you > keep referring to "problems" we haven't had for years :-) It sorta detracts > from the very worthwhile advice you give around here. Every now and again, > even you will get one wrong. At that point, why not just admit it -- with > as much ill-grace as I do if you must -- and move on? > > Cheers > > This responds to article <407AB7CB.46DE007A@kimbanet.com>, from "Phillip M. > Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@kimbanet.com> on 13/4/04 1:37 AM: > > >>Mozilla/Communicator/Thunderbird have 8859-1 set as default though all are >>capable viewing any of th "ese's" and Moz/Tbird are capable of UNICODE in >>OSX. The reason for setting 8859-1 as default is that 99.999% of Email >>newsgroup traffic is english (americam British, Austrailian aware. I've been >>an internet user about 10 years starting with buliten Boards and 300 baud >>modems. And in all thouse years I've probably run across 20 messages that >>were of the "ese" variety. more than half were spam, often judging from the >>included pictures probably porn. >> >>So the the idea its a defect of a particular browser is nonsense. >> >>I refuse to use Entourage/OE/IE due to all the back door weaknesses for key >>loggers/spyware/adware and the use of ActiveX which the way MS implimentsit >>is far more dangerous than Java ever was. And the fact I like the outline >>type system that Mozilla products use for Email newsgroups. >> >>Paul Berkowitz wrote: >> >>>Try setting Format/Character Set to Simplified Chinese (GB-2312) in an email >>>app that can do it, like Entourage. Your Mozilla client sent it back >>>erroneously as IS) 8859-1, which it isn't. Entourage would have been able to >>>read the original in "Automatic" and would have known to reply in either >>>GB-2312 or in UTF-8, which would be fine. I never saw the original, but if >>>you read John's reply in Mozilla, it ought to hav e been OK if he sent it >>>from Entourage, as he usually does, and your reader (Mozilla, or whatever >>>variety you have) would be at fault. >>> >>>-- >>>Paul Berkowitz >>>MVP Entourage >>>Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/toc.html> >>>AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/> >>> >>>Please "Reply To Newsgroup" to reply to this message. Emails will be >>>ignored. >>> >>>PLEASE always state which version of Entourage you are using - 2001 or X. >>>It's often impossible to answer your questions otherwise. >>> >>> >>>>From: "Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." <pjones1@kimbanet.com> >>>>Organization: VPEA >>>>Reply-To: <pjones1@kimbanet.com> >>>>Newsgroups: >>>>microsoft.public.mac.office.word,microsoft.public. word.conversions,microsoft >>>>.p >>>>ublic.jp.officexp.word >>>>Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:17:56 -0400 >>>>Subject: Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord >>>>2003 for Windows >>>> >>>>Looks more like greek to me >>>> >>>>"John McGhie [MVP - Word]" wrote: >>>> >>>>>Sorry Wangtao: >>>>> >>>>>We can't read Chinese here, and we know nothing about Windows XP. This is >>>>>a >>>>>Macintosh-platform group conducted in English. Maybe someone in the >>>>>Japanese group can help? >>>>> >>>>>Cheers >>>>> >>>>>This responds to article <#UDXQP4HEHA.2556@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, from >>>>>"wangtao" <wangtao1986@hotmail.com> on 11/4/04 3:13 PM: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 鎮ㄥ繀椤荤煡*撶s刉indows XP鐂勪竴浜疱*绉樺 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> x婧*娓糕懛鐭革*2*Windows XP浠ユ*ワ*學indows >>>>>>XP宸2*聳*楋**浜轰滑锟***ワ**1鎯存棻鎸 | >>>>>>鐢*屽***2瀹3鎵戯**э**瑁*锟*1x瑭堢** 2锟*x椋ㄤ**3銆俉indows >>>>>>XP锟**锟*x鏈夛*213閷*锟*鐗¤儉**熻 >>>>>>鎴戝厛*ュ慡璇変* 鍏朵笘鐂勪竴浜疱*绉樺*э** >>>>>> >>>>>> 銆銆鈼*11*x杩滐*2銈凤*1|鑳* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>銆銆涓鏃|鎮*锟***2杩|鑲栵*锟*3*锟*x杩滐* 锟**绐*2*蹇э*锟*楂| >>>>>>*稿鈭堬***╋*楗ｅ旦锟*3锟*3锟* >>>>>>搴*鐂勮**桚*锟*椹******撲窼鐂勯*绔 *绾**銆備* *互鐢ㄤ >>>>>>感*㈣繖涓S*3収椋э*1|鑳**s >>>>>>鐐1鈥滃*锟**鈥*廨掆滆*琛屸**屽湪瀵1璇*妗蒌笘 *撳叆鈥済pedit.msc鈥* >>>>>>廨掆*鎵戞匰锟*娓2璋╄杽锟*锟*1鑃*锟* >>>>>>妯℃*库*廨掆滅3伙*3鈥**屽*屽鈥*x杩滐 *2銈锋效淇*锟*妪*ф焥 >>>>>>癌鏁*檩掋鑰欏搼22璋╀*锟*鑼冿**绾**锟* >>>>>> >>>>>> 銆銆鈼*锟*1ZIP鏂。璇诲*栬*锟*|鍊辨晥 >>>>>> >>>>>> 銆銆Windows >>>>>>XP榛樿畝鏀3锟*.ZIP鏂。*屼*葭3伙*3*s涓烘杸鑰 璐1鍊ч*x璇曠煑锟*孑ф >>>>>>**锟*搴栵* >>>>>>1|鑳*11湪锟***鏌欏缈憋**鈥*閫夊*曠s勨滆* 鈥*涓栬*撳叆鈥渞egsvr3 >>>>>>2/u zipfldr.dll鈥**绾**锟* >>>>>> >>>>>> 銆銆鈼**歌**鏃 鐢ㄧs勫Sㄦ*閾**锟* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>銆銆x璇曪*1鑃* ワ**聳3*磋皜璇栧*痃2*鎸疰S荤*憨锟*锟*锟**妯 憋* >>>>>>*璁*锟*3锟*搴电獟绐掕*咃*孑фⅱ锟* >>>>>>鎵撳*x锟*22滆個锟**聳鍣*岃***锟*嫘咃* >>>>>>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurrentV ersionxplorer >>>>>>AlwaysUnloadDLL=DWORD: >>>>>>1*锟*娓栨 夛*0*岃繖涓1|鑳**绐*2滐*11摗锟*x鈷*鐚撲*曪 *宸3钂欐焥钂 >>>>>>锟* >>>>>>鏁堬*岄渶鑭*辇*鏂板*S*鎵戞匰锟*锟* >>>>>> >>>>>> 銆銆鈼*娑3锟*Windows鏂。淇*锟*锟*1|鑳* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>銆銆涓轰狠瀹屽叏娑3锟*Windows鏂。淇*锟*锟*1| **屾墦*x锟*22滆個锟 >>>>>>**聳鍣*岃***锟*嫘咃* >>>>>>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE SOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionWinlogon >>>>>>SFCDisable=0xFFFFFF9D >>>>>> >>>>>> 銆銆鈼*2鎩栬**锟*锟*锟*x锟**锟*鐣旓* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>銆銆*3*锟*鎱S3屾袛涓s鐗＄*掓荡淇*锟*闃S銆夛*3 2呫夈儢姊版1锟*1鑃*鎬 >>>>>>*淇*锟**ユ湭鑣╋*缈辨ⅱ璐*锟* >>>>>>鍌ㄢ*廨掆滃簱鈥**岀敤*3*锟*鎱S闁夛*锟*2妾 锟*閭ｏ*锟*3*锟*闃S銆夛* >>>>>>32呫夈儢姊版1绗葭2滄荡淇*锟*闃S銆*э* >>>>>>鍊俊***娑傜**1*椹卞Sㄥ櫒鐂勪俊*狠銆 >>>>>> >>>>>> 銆銆鈼*鍦1*楋**昏1*3*㈡桚*锟* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>銆銆鎵撳*鈥滄*у埗*㈡*库**岀1妪烩1鑃*锟*1 锟**鎽鸿杽锟*姘*鍦帮*2 >>>>>>鍏2鍛楁荡钖勶*姘*鍦2鍛楁荡锟* >>>>>>廨掆滐*2鍏ㄩ夐1鈥**屽*屽鍏朵笘鈥1*楋*鍛 璎↓妲熼*璇栧瑝3*㈡ >>>>>>*锟*甯*1岀*匡*鎱S**32呫夈儢姊帮* >>>>>>鈥滃2*敤鈥*閫夐1*屽*曞鈥滅‘瀹s鈥**绾* >>>>>> >>>>>>x楂★*:*墟娥 >>>>>> 甯**:wangtao1986@hotmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>> >>>>>Please respond only to the newsgroup to preserve the thread. >>>>> >>>>>John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer, >>>>>McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd >>>>>Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs >>>>>+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name >>>> >>>>-- >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling >>>>616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868 >>>>Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet >>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>>If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! >>>> >>>>mailto jones@kimbanet.com>>>> >>>><http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm> >>>><http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm> >>>><http://vpea.exis.net> > > You have the right to your opinion and I do mine. I keep trying entorage periodically (Don't have the oSX version yet. And for me I don't see much difference between It and OE. I like the Outline format Mozilla products use and the ease of which you can view and subscribe to newsgroups. In Entourage and OE its an ordeal to read newsgroups. Entourage may be a great PIM program. but a great news reader it ain't. That's no to say, its not a great product. It may be the greatest product in the universe. But, I just don't like the way its setup. Of all the applications I Use in Office, I don't use Entourage and PowerPoint. Half the Office package is a waste to me. But its cheaper to buy the whole deal than buy just Excel and Word. If MS came out with a version of Office that had just Word and Excel and the price was reduced about half I would jump on it so fast it would amzing to see for this tree hundred pound frame. :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! mailto jones@kimbanet.com<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm> <http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm> <http://vpea.exis.net> |
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| Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generatedonWord2003 for Windows Hi Phillip: This responds to article <#OCtXtWIEHA.2744@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, from "Phillip M. Jones, CE.T." <pjones@kimbanet.com> on 14/4/04 1:23 AM: > You have the right to your opinion and I do mine. > Oh, absolutely. Just because I am a cranky old fart doesn't make me right :-) > I keep trying entorage periodically (Don't have the oSX version yet. And for > me I don't see much difference between It and OE. Yeah, well you're a couple of versions behind... It has improved a lot. It's still not a "great" newsreader :-) But the ability to have calendar, scheduling, email with multiple account types and news with multiple servers in the one fairly light-weight application makes it compelling for me. I like it a lot better than Outlook 2003, which "works" but it's like a Mack Truck and too complicated and fiddly compared to Entourage. > > I like the Outline format Mozilla products use and the ease of which you can > view and subscribe to newsgroups. In Entourage and OE its an ordeal to read > newsgroups. That's a lot better in the next version. Not perfect, but ""good". > Of all the applications I Use in Office, I don't use Entourage and PowerPoint. I've taken to using PowerPoint for graphics. Again: next version, but you will find that it exposes a lot more of the Microsoft Drawing tools in a more convenient form, and it enables you to save the result out as an independent file, which Word won't do. You may laugh when I say "Microsoft Drawing Tools" but it's like this: I have the latest version of one of the big two graphics applications installed here as well. Most of the time I do not use it, because most of the time I am handling corporate documents. There's no point in filling corporate documents with AI or even EPS: they just can't handle those formats without a high-end graphics package. And no corporation is going to buy every user a high-end graphics package. I get paid to produce "maintainable" documents, so most of the time I work in PowerPoint. Of course, PowerPoint is very good for making presentations, and it particularly has the edge for "presenting" them. But I try to avoid all kinds of meetings, and redouble my avoidance behaviour for meetings containing slides :-) > Half the Office package is a waste to me. But its cheaper to buy the whole > deal than buy just Excel and Word. If MS came out with a version of Office > that had just Word and Excel and the price was reduced about half I would jump > on it so fast it would amzing to see for this tree hundred pound frame. :-) Never likely, because of the way they make it. "Office" has not really been a set of individual applications for some years, and this trend is particularly evident in multi-tasking operating system versions such as Windows XP and Mac OS X. These days, Office is a "layer" sitting on top of the operating system. The OS does all the file handling and draws everything on the screen and does all the printing. Then there's the Office layer which knows about text and languages and dialogs and help and stuff like that. "Word" is actually a fairly thin layer that sits on top of that and causes the OS to draw things that look like a document. "Excel" is another layer: basically uses the same table engine as Word but adds a calculation library. Once you have those two, you have 95 per cent of the code for PowerPoint and Entourage, so you might as well drop them into the box too. If you do, you get to make the whole thing more cheaply, because you can cross-call widgets out of Entourage to use in Word and vice versa, without having to handle the possibility that the other one may not be installed, or may be installed later. I have been saying for some time that we should simply admit this, and produce "Office" as a single application, a la Works. Regrettably, we have discovered that people won't buy Works because they think there's only one product in the box. They will buy Office because they think there are four products in the box and so it must be better. Of course, personally I am never guilty of such "if some is good, more must be better..." thinking. Unless it comes to Hi Fi. Or cars. Or motorcycles. Or Ice Cream. Or women... Cheers -- Please respond only to the newsgroup to preserve the thread. John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer, McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name |
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04-14-2004, 04:06 PM
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| Re: How to make Word for Mac recognize templates generated onWord2003for Windows John McGhie [MVP - Word] wrote: > Hi Phillip: > > This responds to article <#OCtXtWIEHA.2744@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>, from > "Phillip M. Jones, CE.T." <pjones@kimbanet.com> on 14/4/04 1:23 AM: > > >>You have the right to your opinion and I do mine. >> > > Oh, absolutely. Just because I am a cranky old fart doesn't make me right > :-) > > >>I keep trying entorage periodically (Don't have the oSX version yet. And for >>me I don't see much difference between It and OE. > > > Yeah, well you're a couple of versions behind... It has improved a lot. > It's still not a "great" newsreader :-) But the ability to have calendar, > scheduling, email with multiple account types and news with multiple servers > in the one fairly light-weight application makes it compelling for me. I > like it a lot better than Outlook 2003, which "works" but it's like a Mack > Truck and too complicated and fiddly compared to Entourage. > >>I like the Outline format Mozilla products use and the ease of which you can >>view and subscribe to newsgroups. In Entourage and OE its an ordeal to read >>newsgroups. > > > That's a lot better in the next version. Not perfect, but ""good". > > >>Of all the applications I Use in Office, I don't use Entourage and PowerPoint. > > > I've taken to using PowerPoint for graphics. Again: next version, but you > will find that it exposes a lot more of the Microsoft Drawing tools in a > more convenient form, and it enables you to save the result out as an > independent file, which Word won't do. > > You may laugh when I say "Microsoft Drawing Tools" but it's like this: I > have the latest version of one of the big two graphics applications > installed here as well. Most of the time I do not use it, because most of > the time I am handling corporate documents. There's no point in filling > corporate documents with AI or even EPS: they just can't handle those > formats without a high-end graphics package. And no corporation is going to > buy every user a high-end graphics package. I get paid to produce > "maintainable" documents, so most of the time I work in PowerPoint. > > Of course, PowerPoint is very good for making presentations, and it > particularly has the edge for "presenting" them. But I try to avoid all > kinds of meetings, and redouble my avoidance behaviour for meetings > containing slides :-) > > >>Half the Office package is a waste to me. But its cheaper to buy the whole >>deal than buy just Excel and Word. If MS came out with a version of Office >>that had just Word and Excel and the price was reduced about half I would jump >>on it so fast it would amzing to see for this tree hundred pound frame. :-) > > > Never likely, because of the way they make it. "Office" has not really been > a set of individual applications for some years, and this trend is > particularly evident in multi-tasking operating system versions such as > Windows XP and Mac OS X. > > These days, Office is a "layer" sitting on top of the operating system. The > OS does all the file handling and draws everything on the screen and does > all the printing. Then there's the Office layer which knows about text and > languages and dialogs and help and stuff like that. "Word" is actually a > fairly thin layer that sits on top of that and causes the OS to draw things > that look like a document. "Excel" is another layer: basically uses the > same table engine as Word but adds a calculation library. Once you have > those two, you have 95 per cent of the code for PowerPoint and Entourage, so > you might as well drop them into the box too. > > If you do, you get to make the whole thing more cheaply, because you can > cross-call widgets out of Entourage to use in Word and vice versa, without > having to handle the possibility that the other one may not be installed, or > may be installed later. > > I have been saying for some time that we should simply admit this, and > produce "Office" as a single application, a la Works. Regrettably, we have > discovered that people won't buy Works because they think there's only one > product in the box. They will buy Office because they think there are four > products in the box and so it must be better. > > Of course, personally I am never guilty of such "if some is good, more must > be better..." thinking. Unless it comes to Hi Fi. Or cars. Or > motorcycles. Or Ice Cream. Or women... > > Cheers > I use to use Microsoftworks for Mac. (Was the first Program I ever bought for my Mac SE/30 - remeber thoses.) And contunued to use it until it was discontinued. But I also bought Excel first because the version in Works left out more than half the formulas. Then, I bought Word because The full version had twice as many features as in Word. If the full version of Excel and Word had been packaged as Works it still would used today. If you would examine works for PC (which is still sold) you'll find each component is pared down with not near as many features. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:276-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |pjones@kimbanet.com, ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --------------------------------------------------------------------------- If it's "fixed", don't "break it"! mailto jones@kimbanet.com<http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm> <http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm> <http://vpea.exis.net> |
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