Software install on iBook G4 - How to format new Hard Drive

I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
installation.
My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
apple and nothing happens.
What would anyone recommend to do next.
Thanks in advance.
jean-pierre

in article 1165796444.407056.148750@79g2000cws.googlegroups.c om,
jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 10:20 AM:

> I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
> same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
> hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
> installation.
> My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
> apple and nothing happens.
> What would anyone recommend to do next.
> Thanks in advance.
> jean-pierre
>
I presume you held the "C" key down when restarting from the CD (to force
the machine to load from the CD). If that works then open disk utility from
the file menu (I think - its one of the menus on the top left anyway) and
format you disk and then intall the OS. You may not even have to format the
disk as the OS install may do it for you anyway. Its been too long since I
did one to remember but this will get you started.

Nigel

Nigel,
Yes, I have done that several times but it doesn't work.
If only I had a bootable cd then I could be sure that I don't have some
hardware problem.
There is a shareware utility i found which which would allow me to make
a bootable CD but it runs only on OS 10.3 but not on 10.4; bad luck for
me sincenmy other computer (also an iBook) is currently running OS
10.4.
Don't know yet what to do next.
Thanks for your suggestions.
Jean-Pierre


On Dec 10, 9:57 pm, Nigel <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> in article 1165796444.407056.148...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.c om,
> jpsha...@gmail.com at jpsha...@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 10:20 AM:
>
> > I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
> > same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
> > hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
> > installation.
> > My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
> > apple and nothing happens.
> > What would anyone recommend to do next.
> > Thanks in advance.
> > jean-pierreI presume you held the "C" key down when restarting from the CD (to force
> the machine to load from the CD). If that works then open disk utility from
> the file menu (I think - its one of the menus on the top left anyway) and
> format you disk and then intall the OS. You may not even have to format the
> disk as the OS install may do it for you anyway. Its been too long since I
> did one to remember but this will get you started.
>
> Nigel

in article 1165808311.691172.18800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.co m,
jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 1:38 PM:

> Nigel,
> Yes, I have done that several times but it doesn't work.
> If only I had a bootable cd then I could be sure that I don't have some
> hardware problem.
> There is a shareware utility i found which which would allow me to make
> a bootable CD but it runs only on OS 10.3 but not on 10.4; bad luck for
> me sincenmy other computer (also an iBook) is currently running OS
> 10.4.
> Don't know yet what to do next.
> Thanks for your suggestions.
> Jean-Pierre
>
>
> On Dec 10, 9:57 pm, Nigel <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> in article 1165796444.407056.148...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.c om,
>> jpsha...@gmail.com at jpsha...@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 10:20 AM:
>>
>>> I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
>>> same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
>>> hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
>>> installation.
>>> My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
>>> apple and nothing happens.
>>> What would anyone recommend to do next.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> jean-pierreI presume you held the "C" key down when restarting from the CD
>>> (to force
>> the machine to load from the CD). If that works then open disk utility from
>> the file menu (I think - its one of the menus on the top left anyway) and
>> format you disk and then intall the OS. You may not even have to format the
>> disk as the OS install may do it for you anyway. Its been too long since I
>> did one to remember but this will get you started.
>>
>> Nigel
>
Strange - perhaps its a DVD rather than a CD and your iBook cant read it
(like my original iMac)? Otherwise if you have another mac, boot your iBook
up via a firewire cable in targeted disk mode (hold down the T key when
starting with a firewire connection).

Nigel

Nigel,

My objective is to set up OSX using the three OS Install CD's.
So I got the Firewire cable, connected to the iBook on which I want to
setup OSX holding down the 'T' key as I turn the computer on and all is
well as the Firewire logo appears. I then insert the first Install CD
in the target machine, a window appears on my host machine with the
Install logo to click on but i stop.
At this point I'm unsure what machine will get the installation, the
host or the target?
Too scared to ruin my host drive, I give up.
Any advice?
Thanks.
Jean-Pierre


Nigel wrote:
> in article 1165808311.691172.18800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.co m,
> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 1:38 PM:
>
> > Nigel,
> > Yes, I have done that several times but it doesn't work.
> > If only I had a bootable cd then I could be sure that I don't have some
> > hardware problem.
> > There is a shareware utility i found which which would allow me to make
> > a bootable CD but it runs only on OS 10.3 but not on 10.4; bad luck for
> > me sincenmy other computer (also an iBook) is currently running OS
> > 10.4.
> > Don't know yet what to do next.
> > Thanks for your suggestions.
> > Jean-Pierre
> >
> >
> > On Dec 10, 9:57 pm, Nigel <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> in article 1165796444.407056.148...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.c om,
> >> jpsha...@gmail.com at jpsha...@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 10:20 AM:
> >>
> >>> I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
> >>> same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
> >>> hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
> >>> installation.
> >>> My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
> >>> apple and nothing happens.
> >>> What would anyone recommend to do next.
> >>> Thanks in advance.
> >>> jean-pierreI presume you held the "C" key down when restarting from the CD
> >>> (to force
> >> the machine to load from the CD). If that works then open disk utility from
> >> the file menu (I think - its one of the menus on the top left anyway) and
> >> format you disk and then intall the OS. You may not even have to format the
> >> disk as the OS install may do it for you anyway. Its been too long since I
> >> did one to remember but this will get you started.
> >>
> >> Nigel
> >
> Strange - perhaps its a DVD rather than a CD and your iBook cant read it
> (like my original iMac)? Otherwise if you have another mac, boot your iBook
> up via a firewire cable in targeted disk mode (hold down the T key when
> starting with a firewire connection).
>
> Nigel

in article 1165974210.908361.30710@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om,
jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 13/12/06 11:43 AM:

> Nigel,
>
> My objective is to set up OSX using the three OS Install CD's.
> So I got the Firewire cable, connected to the iBook on which I want to
> setup OSX holding down the 'T' key as I turn the computer on and all is
> well as the Firewire logo appears. I then insert the first Install CD
> in the target machine, a window appears on my host machine with the
> Install logo to click on but i stop.
> At this point I'm unsure what machine will get the installation, the
> host or the target?
> Too scared to ruin my host drive, I give up.
> Any advice?
> Thanks.
> Jean-Pierre
>
>
> Nigel wrote:
>> in article 1165808311.691172.18800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.co m,
>> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 1:38 PM:
>>
>>> Nigel,
>>> Yes, I have done that several times but it doesn't work.
>>> If only I had a bootable cd then I could be sure that I don't have some
>>> hardware problem.
>>> There is a shareware utility i found which which would allow me to make
>>> a bootable CD but it runs only on OS 10.3 but not on 10.4; bad luck for
>>> me sincenmy other computer (also an iBook) is currently running OS
>>> 10.4.
>>> Don't know yet what to do next.
>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>> Jean-Pierre
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 10, 9:57 pm, Nigel <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> in article 1165796444.407056.148...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.c om,
>>>> jpsha...@gmail.com at jpsha...@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 10:20 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
>>>>> same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
>>>>> hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
>>>>> installation.
>>>>> My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
>>>>> apple and nothing happens.
>>>>> What would anyone recommend to do next.
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> jean-pierreI presume you held the "C" key down when restarting from the CD
>>>>> (to force
>>>> the machine to load from the CD). If that works then open disk utility
>>>> from
>>>> the file menu (I think - its one of the menus on the top left anyway) and
>>>> format you disk and then intall the OS. You may not even have to format the
>>>> disk as the OS install may do it for you anyway. Its been too long since I
>>>> did one to remember but this will get you started.
>>>>
>>>> Nigel
>>>
>> Strange - perhaps its a DVD rather than a CD and your iBook cant read it
>> (like my original iMac)? Otherwise if you have another mac, boot your iBook
>> up via a firewire cable in targeted disk mode (hold down the T key when
>> starting with a firewire connection).
>>
>> Nigel
>
You are nearly there. You out the CD in your host machine and click Install
OSX. It will give you a choice of hard drives you want to install it on.
Choose the targeted hard drive on the iBook and install. So don't worry.

Nigel

Nigel,

But the install CD was always in my target machine so, what do you mean
by 'you out the CD in your host machine'?
Sorry to take so much of your time.
Jean-Pierre




Nigel wrote:
> in article 1165974210.908361.30710@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om,
> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 13/12/06 11:43 AM:
>
> > Nigel,
> >
> > My objective is to set up OSX using the three OS Install CD's.
> > So I got the Firewire cable, connected to the iBook on which I want to
> > setup OSX holding down the 'T' key as I turn the computer on and all is
> > well as the Firewire logo appears. I then insert the first Install CD
> > in the target machine, a window appears on my host machine with the
> > Install logo to click on but i stop.
> > At this point I'm unsure what machine will get the installation, the
> > host or the target?
> > Too scared to ruin my host drive, I give up.
> > Any advice?
> > Thanks.
> > Jean-Pierre
> >
> >
> > Nigel wrote:
> >> in article 1165808311.691172.18800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.co m,
> >> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 1:38 PM:
> >>
> >>> Nigel,
> >>> Yes, I have done that several times but it doesn't work.
> >>> If only I had a bootable cd then I could be sure that I don't have some
> >>> hardware problem.
> >>> There is a shareware utility i found which which would allow me to make
> >>> a bootable CD but it runs only on OS 10.3 but not on 10.4; bad luck for
> >>> me sincenmy other computer (also an iBook) is currently running OS
> >>> 10.4.
> >>> Don't know yet what to do next.
> >>> Thanks for your suggestions.
> >>> Jean-Pierre
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 10, 9:57 pm, Nigel <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>> in article 1165796444.407056.148...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.c om,
> >>>> jpsha...@gmail.com at jpsha...@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 10:20 AM:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
> >>>>> same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
> >>>>> hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
> >>>>> installation.
> >>>>> My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
> >>>>> apple and nothing happens.
> >>>>> What would anyone recommend to do next.
> >>>>> Thanks in advance.
> >>>>> jean-pierreI presume you held the "C" key down when restarting from the CD
> >>>>> (to force
> >>>> the machine to load from the CD). If that works then open disk utility
> >>>> from
> >>>> the file menu (I think - its one of the menus on the top left anyway) and
> >>>> format you disk and then intall the OS. You may not even have to format the
> >>>> disk as the OS install may do it for you anyway. Its been too long since I
> >>>> did one to remember but this will get you started.
> >>>>
> >>>> Nigel
> >>>
> >> Strange - perhaps its a DVD rather than a CD and your iBook cant read it
> >> (like my original iMac)? Otherwise if you have another mac, boot your iBook
> >> up via a firewire cable in targeted disk mode (hold down the T key when
> >> starting with a firewire connection).
> >>
> >> Nigel
> >
> You are nearly there. You out the CD in your host machine and click Install
> OSX. It will give you a choice of hard drives you want to install it on.
> Choose the targeted hard drive on the iBook and install. So don't worry.
>
> Nigel

in article 1165977234.920661.214010@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om,
jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 13/12/06 12:33 PM:

> Nigel,
>
> But the install CD was always in my target machine so, what do you mean
> by 'you out the CD in your host machine'?
> Sorry to take so much of your time.
> Jean-Pierre
>
>
>
>
> Nigel wrote:
>> in article 1165974210.908361.30710@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om,
>> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 13/12/06 11:43 AM:
>>
>>> Nigel,
>>>
>>> My objective is to set up OSX using the three OS Install CD's.
>>> So I got the Firewire cable, connected to the iBook on which I want to
>>> setup OSX holding down the 'T' key as I turn the computer on and all is
>>> well as the Firewire logo appears. I then insert the first Install CD
>>> in the target machine, a window appears on my host machine with the
>>> Install logo to click on but i stop.
>>> At this point I'm unsure what machine will get the installation, the
>>> host or the target?
>>> Too scared to ruin my host drive, I give up.
>>> Any advice?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Jean-Pierre
>>>
>>>
>>> Nigel wrote:
>>>> in article 1165808311.691172.18800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.co m,
>>>> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 1:38 PM:
>>>>
>>>>> Nigel,
>>>>> Yes, I have done that several times but it doesn't work.
>>>>> If only I had a bootable cd then I could be sure that I don't have some
>>>>> hardware problem.
>>>>> There is a shareware utility i found which which would allow me to make
>>>>> a bootable CD but it runs only on OS 10.3 but not on 10.4; bad luck for
>>>>> me sincenmy other computer (also an iBook) is currently running OS
>>>>> 10.4.
>>>>> Don't know yet what to do next.
>>>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>>>> Jean-Pierre
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 10, 9:57 pm, Nigel <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> in article 1165796444.407056.148...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.c om,
>>>>>> jpsha...@gmail.com at jpsha...@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 10:20 AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
>>>>>>> same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
>>>>>>> hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
>>>>>>> installation.
>>>>>>> My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
>>>>>>> apple and nothing happens.
>>>>>>> What would anyone recommend to do next.
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>> jean-pierreI presume you held the "C" key down when restarting from the
>>>>>>> CD
>>>>>>> (to force
>>>>>> the machine to load from the CD). If that works then open disk utility
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the file menu (I think - its one of the menus on the top left anyway) and
>>>>>> format you disk and then intall the OS. You may not even have to format
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> disk as the OS install may do it for you anyway. Its been too long since
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> did one to remember but this will get you started.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nigel
>>>>>
>>>> Strange - perhaps its a DVD rather than a CD and your iBook cant read it
>>>> (like my original iMac)? Otherwise if you have another mac, boot your
>>>> iBook
>>>> up via a firewire cable in targeted disk mode (hold down the T key when
>>>> starting with a firewire connection).
>>>>
>>>> Nigel
>>>
>> You are nearly there. You out the CD in your host machine and click Install
>> OSX. It will give you a choice of hard drives you want to install it on.
>> Choose the targeted hard drive on the iBook and install. So don't worry.
>>
>> Nigel
>
I suppose you could run the install CD from the target machine (it will just
appear as another disk on your host machine) but it would be better to load
the install CD in the hosts optical drive - it will be faster. Basically
under targeted disk mode the hard drive you are trying to deal with just
appears an another drive on your host machine and you will get a giant
firewire symbol on the iBook machine you will be installing OSX on.

Nigel

Nigel,
Thanks again for your help but it didn't work.
The Install Disks I have are copies of the original CD's and may not be
from the computer on which I want to reinstall the OS (I've had several
g4's). I've tried the other set of original disks, probably from one of
my other G4's and that didn't work either.
What actually stopped the install process - it may not be the only
reason although most certainly it was the first one - was the
requirement to restart the computer; i could find no way to bypass
this.
Could there be a scheme Apple developed to prevent piracy that would
work against me as a rightful owner?
Jean-Pierre


Nigel wrote:
> in article 1165977234.920661.214010@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om,
> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 13/12/06 12:33 PM:
>
> > Nigel,
> >
> > But the install CD was always in my target machine so, what do you mean
> > by 'you out the CD in your host machine'?
> > Sorry to take so much of your time.
> > Jean-Pierre
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Nigel wrote:
> >> in article 1165974210.908361.30710@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om,
> >> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 13/12/06 11:43 AM:
> >>
> >>> Nigel,
> >>>
> >>> My objective is to set up OSX using the three OS Install CD's.
> >>> So I got the Firewire cable, connected to the iBook on which I want to
> >>> setup OSX holding down the 'T' key as I turn the computer on and all is
> >>> well as the Firewire logo appears. I then insert the first Install CD
> >>> in the target machine, a window appears on my host machine with the
> >>> Install logo to click on but i stop.
> >>> At this point I'm unsure what machine will get the installation, the
> >>> host or the target?
> >>> Too scared to ruin my host drive, I give up.
> >>> Any advice?
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Jean-Pierre
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Nigel wrote:
> >>>> in article 1165808311.691172.18800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.co m,
> >>>> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 1:38 PM:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Nigel,
> >>>>> Yes, I have done that several times but it doesn't work.
> >>>>> If only I had a bootable cd then I could be sure that I don't have some
> >>>>> hardware problem.
> >>>>> There is a shareware utility i found which which would allow me to make
> >>>>> a bootable CD but it runs only on OS 10.3 but not on 10.4; bad luck for
> >>>>> me sincenmy other computer (also an iBook) is currently running OS
> >>>>> 10.4.
> >>>>> Don't know yet what to do next.
> >>>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
> >>>>> Jean-Pierre
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Dec 10, 9:57 pm, Nigel <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> in article 1165796444.407056.148...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.c om,
> >>>>>> jpsha...@gmail.com at jpsha...@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 10:20 AM:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
> >>>>>>> same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
> >>>>>>> hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
> >>>>>>> installation.
> >>>>>>> My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
> >>>>>>> apple and nothing happens.
> >>>>>>> What would anyone recommend to do next.
> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
> >>>>>>> jean-pierreI presume you held the "C" key down when restarting from the
> >>>>>>> CD
> >>>>>>> (to force
> >>>>>> the machine to load from the CD). If that works then open disk utility
> >>>>>> from
> >>>>>> the file menu (I think - its one of the menus on the top left anyway) and
> >>>>>> format you disk and then intall the OS. You may not even have to format
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> disk as the OS install may do it for you anyway. Its been too long since
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> did one to remember but this will get you started.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nigel
> >>>>>
> >>>> Strange - perhaps its a DVD rather than a CD and your iBook cant read it
> >>>> (like my original iMac)? Otherwise if you have another mac, boot your
> >>>> iBook
> >>>> up via a firewire cable in targeted disk mode (hold down the T key when
> >>>> starting with a firewire connection).
> >>>>
> >>>> Nigel
> >>>
> >> You are nearly there. You out the CD in your host machine and click Install
> >> OSX. It will give you a choice of hard drives you want to install it on.
> >> Choose the targeted hard drive on the iBook and install. So don't worry.
> >>
> >> Nigel
> >
> I suppose you could run the install CD from the target machine (it will just
> appear as another disk on your host machine) but it would be better to load
> the install CD in the hosts optical drive - it will be faster. Basically
> under targeted disk mode the hard drive you are trying to deal with just
> appears an another drive on your host machine and you will get a giant
> firewire symbol on the iBook machine you will be installing OSX on.
>
> Nigel

in article 1166054868.087178.317260@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups. com,
jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 14/12/06 10:07 AM:

> Nigel,
> Thanks again for your help but it didn't work.
> The Install Disks I have are copies of the original CD's and may not be
> from the computer on which I want to reinstall the OS (I've had several
> g4's). I've tried the other set of original disks, probably from one of
> my other G4's and that didn't work either.
> What actually stopped the install process - it may not be the only
> reason although most certainly it was the first one - was the
> requirement to restart the computer; i could find no way to bypass
> this.
> Could there be a scheme Apple developed to prevent piracy that would
> work against me as a rightful owner?
> Jean-Pierre
>
>
> Nigel wrote:
>> in article 1165977234.920661.214010@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om,
>> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 13/12/06 12:33 PM:
>>
>>> Nigel,
>>>
>>> But the install CD was always in my target machine so, what do you mean
>>> by 'you out the CD in your host machine'?
>>> Sorry to take so much of your time.
>>> Jean-Pierre
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nigel wrote:
>>>> in article 1165974210.908361.30710@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om,
>>>> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 13/12/06 11:43 AM:
>>>>
>>>>> Nigel,
>>>>>
>>>>> My objective is to set up OSX using the three OS Install CD's.
>>>>> So I got the Firewire cable, connected to the iBook on which I want to
>>>>> setup OSX holding down the 'T' key as I turn the computer on and all is
>>>>> well as the Firewire logo appears. I then insert the first Install CD
>>>>> in the target machine, a window appears on my host machine with the
>>>>> Install logo to click on but i stop.
>>>>> At this point I'm unsure what machine will get the installation, the
>>>>> host or the target?
>>>>> Too scared to ruin my host drive, I give up.
>>>>> Any advice?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Jean-Pierre
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nigel wrote:
>>>>>> in article 1165808311.691172.18800@79g2000cws.googlegroups.co m,
>>>>>> jpshahom@gmail.com at jpshahom@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 1:38 PM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nigel,
>>>>>>> Yes, I have done that several times but it doesn't work.
>>>>>>> If only I had a bootable cd then I could be sure that I don't have some
>>>>>>> hardware problem.
>>>>>>> There is a shareware utility i found which which would allow me to make
>>>>>>> a bootable CD but it runs only on OS 10.3 but not on 10.4; bad luck for
>>>>>>> me sincenmy other computer (also an iBook) is currently running OS
>>>>>>> 10.4.
>>>>>>> Don't know yet what to do next.
>>>>>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>>>>>> Jean-Pierre
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 10, 9:57 pm, Nigel <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> in article 1165796444.407056.148...@79g2000cws.googlegroups.c om,
>>>>>>>> jpsha...@gmail.com at jpsha...@gmail.com wrote on 11/12/06 10:20 AM:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
>>>>>>>>> same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
>>>>>>>>> hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
>>>>>>>>> installation.
>>>>>>>>> My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
>>>>>>>>> apple and nothing happens.
>>>>>>>>> What would anyone recommend to do next.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>> jean-pierreI presume you held the "C" key down when restarting from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> CD
>>>>>>>>> (to force
>>>>>>>> the machine to load from the CD). If that works then open disk utility
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> the file menu (I think - its one of the menus on the top left anyway)
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> format you disk and then intall the OS. You may not even have to format
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> disk as the OS install may do it for you anyway. Its been too long
>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> did one to remember but this will get you started.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nigel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Strange - perhaps its a DVD rather than a CD and your iBook cant read it
>>>>>> (like my original iMac)? Otherwise if you have another mac, boot your
>>>>>> iBook
>>>>>> up via a firewire cable in targeted disk mode (hold down the T key when
>>>>>> starting with a firewire connection).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nigel
>>>>>
>>>> You are nearly there. You out the CD in your host machine and click
>>>> Install
>>>> OSX. It will give you a choice of hard drives you want to install it on.
>>>> Choose the targeted hard drive on the iBook and install. So don't worry.
>>>>
>>>> Nigel
>>>
>> I suppose you could run the install CD from the target machine (it will just
>> appear as another disk on your host machine) but it would be better to load
>> the install CD in the hosts optical drive - it will be faster. Basically
>> under targeted disk mode the hard drive you are trying to deal with just
>> appears an another drive on your host machine and you will get a giant
>> firewire symbol on the iBook machine you will be installing OSX on.
>>
>> Nigel
>
You just need the original disks or a retial copy.
Nigel

jpshahom@gmail.com wrote:
> I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
> same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
> hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
> installation.
> My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
> apple and nothing happens.
> What would anyone recommend to do next.

The CD really should boot. To do the installation using another Mac,
put your iBook into target disk mode (command-T when booting), connect
the two machines using a firewire cable, and put the OS X install disk
into the other machine and boot it up. Your iBook will look like a
drive on the other machine. Keep in mind that you may need a generic
OS X install disc to do this or a sufficiently similar Mac, because
your iBook media may not boot all other Macs.

But the CD really should boot. Is it a 10.4 cd ? You mentioned that
you were using 10.4. If your original media was 10.3, don't use it and
install from the 10.4 cd instead. It is more likely to be compatible
with your hardware. Make sure you hold the C key to boot from cd.

If none of the CDs boot, then you have a hardware problem. There are
three possible problems:

1) The computer doesn't recognize the drive for some voodoo reason,
like old settings stored in the PRAM. Flash the PRAM
(command-option-p-r on boot - wait for two chimes), etc, etc. See
http://davespicks.com/writing/programming/mackeys.html for a list of
voodoo incantations.

2) The computer doesn't recognize the drive for a good reason, like a
loose cable. This is a pain to check. Keep in mind, anything could be
loose. If you've added ram, try reseating the ram chip first before
you rip the computer apart. Also look for metal touching the
motherboard shorting something out. There are a lot of things to
double check.

3) The computer doesn't recognize the drive because it is broken.
Download a Linux CD and boot it up to check. For example, the
Universal PPC 32-bit install cd here:
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml

That's about all I can suggest.

Roman,

Because I'm no longer able to see the target drive when using the Disk
Utility software, I reopened the target computer, put back the old
30Gig HD and discovered that it works fine, although on its last leg.
I flashed the pram, tried a different cable, neither helped.
Holding the Command key and pressing down the 'T' key doesn't bring up
the Firewire logo, only the 'T' key by itself.
Since the 30Gig HD works when inserted, then it's conceivable, although
improbable, that the new 40Gig HD just went bad.
Jean-Pierre



Roman Pearce wrote:
> jpshahom@gmail.com wrote:
> > I replaced the original 30Gig hard disk on my iBook G4 with a 40Gig,
> > same manufacturer Toshiba, same drive type. I believe I completed the
> > hardware replacement properly but I have not been able to start the OS
> > installation.
> > My original CD (Mac OS X install CD 1) when inserted shows a static
> > apple and nothing happens.
> > What would anyone recommend to do next.
>
> The CD really should boot. To do the installation using another Mac,
> put your iBook into target disk mode (command-T when booting), connect
> the two machines using a firewire cable, and put the OS X install disk
> into the other machine and boot it up. Your iBook will look like a
> drive on the other machine. Keep in mind that you may need a generic
> OS X install disc to do this or a sufficiently similar Mac, because
> your iBook media may not boot all other Macs.
>
> But the CD really should boot. Is it a 10.4 cd ? You mentioned that
> you were using 10.4. If your original media was 10.3, don't use it and
> install from the 10.4 cd instead. It is more likely to be compatible
> with your hardware. Make sure you hold the C key to boot from cd.
>
> If none of the CDs boot, then you have a hardware problem. There are
> three possible problems:
>
> 1) The computer doesn't recognize the drive for some voodoo reason,
> like old settings stored in the PRAM. Flash the PRAM
> (command-option-p-r on boot - wait for two chimes), etc, etc. See
> http://davespicks.com/writing/programming/mackeys.html for a list of
> voodoo incantations.
>
> 2) The computer doesn't recognize the drive for a good reason, like a
> loose cable. This is a pain to check. Keep in mind, anything could be
> loose. If you've added ram, try reseating the ram chip first before
> you rip the computer apart. Also look for metal touching the
> motherboard shorting something out. There are a lot of things to
> double check.
>
> 3) The computer doesn't recognize the drive because it is broken.
> Download a Linux CD and boot it up to check. For example, the
> Universal PPC 32-bit install cd here:
> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/where.xml
>
> That's about all I can suggest.

jpshahom@gmail.com wrote:
> Because I'm no longer able to see the target drive when using the Disk
> Utility software, I reopened the target computer, put back the old
> 30Gig HD and discovered that it works fine, although on its last leg.

Very strange. If you can, take the drive back and exchange it for
another one. I can recommend the Hitachi Travelstar, which has worked
very well for me. Another tip: if you have a large number of files
over 20MB, you should invest in a disk defragmenting program, such as
iDefrag. OS X won't defrag files over 20MB, and it doesn't defragment
free space at all. If you have a lot of large files (music, videos,
podcasts, very large images) they are all likely to be fragmented, and
the fragmenting of free space will make this problem much worse over
time. I'm just starting to notice this with my iBook now which is 60%
full (I frequently re-encode 200MB mp3s).

Roman and everyone,

I'd like to share the resolution for my Firewire problems for
everyone's benefit.
Objective:
Install new hard drive and operating system on my target G4 using
another G4 as the host
Tools:
Use Firewire cable, host machine is G4 with OS Version 10.4.7, will
install OS 10.3.9 on target machine using copies of three original
install CD's supplied by Apple.
Disk Warrior bootable CD
Problems:
Firewire doesn't see the drive on target machine, zapped pram, reset
firmware, changed cable (made sure cable was not coiled too neatly to
avoid induction that could interfere, a guess on my part), nothing
worked.
Checked the new drive with DiskWarrior to make sure it was functional,
and it was. After DiskWarrior actually corrected some broken nodes and
permissions, I knew the drive was fine and tried again to connect with
Firewire. Nothing worked.
Solution:
I used an older machine an iMac with OS 10.2.8, attached the Firewire
cable, immediately saw the drive on the target machine (after
depressing the 'T' key on the target machine before restarting it), the
host machine displayed all the right information windows, proceeded
with the installation which was complete in 30 minutes or so, at the
end of which my target machine was in good order.
One should remember that the host machine impersonates the target
machine and all actions take place on the host machine - inherently the
concept of a target machine is just to be that - the host machine will
go through restarts after each install disk which is normal.
Thank you everyone for help.
Jean-Pierre

On Dec 16, 12:53 am, "Roman Pearce" <rpear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> jpsha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Because I'm no longer able to see the target drive when using the Disk
> > Utility software, I reopened the target computer, put back the old
> > 30Gig HD and discovered that it works fine, although on its last leg.Very strange. If you can, take the drive back and exchange it for
> another one. I can recommend the Hitachi Travelstar, which has worked
> very well for me. Another tip: if you have a large number of files
> over 20MB, you should invest in a disk defragmenting program, such as
> iDefrag. OS X won't defrag files over 20MB, and it doesn't defragment
> free space at all. If you have a lot of large files (music, videos,
> podcasts, very large images) they are all likely to be fragmented, and
> the fragmenting of free space will make this problem much worse over
> time. I'm just starting to notice this with my iBook now which is 60%
> full (I frequently re-encode 200MB mp3s).