> > Here's what I'll do! Monday when I get to work, I'll hide a yellow
> > sticky somewhere, like in a restroom in an Apple building.
> >
> > Then I'll send an email to "John" telling him where it is so he can
> > verify.

I'm not sure what that would prove, as AFAIK many of the restrooms in
the building are open to the public? How would that prove you are an
employee?

I would be more convinced if you quoted something from company policies
and procedures, something which is only available to employees. The
discount is well known. You might talk about procedures or employee
benefits, for example.

Of course, if you are an employee, you also know you're NOT supposed to
discuss those publicly, but I'm also assuming in the slim case that you
actually are, you haven't given us your real name, so you have nothing
to worry about if you do.

Seeker1 <seeker1[at]mac.com> wrote in message news:<seeker1-FD4FD0.22031006072003[at]news.comcast.giganews.com>...
> > > Here's what I'll do! Monday when I get to work, I'll hide a yellow
> > > sticky somewhere, like in a restroom in an Apple building.
> > >
> > > Then I'll send an email to "John" telling him where it is so he can
> > > verify.
>
> I'm not sure what that would prove, as AFAIK many of the restrooms in
> the building are open to the public? How would that prove you are an
> employee?

Do you really think some random nut on usenet would drive out to Apple
just to trick "jcr" that he works there.

I suspect when I get into the office Monday, that I'm going to find
out that there's no "jcr" working there. I don't think any Apple
employee would be stupid enough to represent the Company, by posting
his real name and position on usenet.

Seeker1 wrote:
>
> > > Here's what I'll do! Monday when I get to work, I'll hide a yellow
> > > sticky somewhere, like in a restroom in an Apple building.
> > >
> > > Then I'll send an email to "John" telling him where it is so he can
> > > verify.
>
> I'm not sure what that would prove, as AFAIK many of the restrooms in
> the building are open to the public? How would that prove you are an
> employee?
>
> I would be more convinced if you quoted something from company policies
> and procedures, something which is only available to employees. The
> discount is well known. You might talk about procedures or employee
> benefits, for example.

Umm, that would be a breach of the NDA. All that stuff is confidential.

-jcr

Justin in Cupertino wrote:
>
> Seeker1 <seeker1[at]mac.com> wrote in message news:<seeker1-FD4FD0.22031006072003[at]news.comcast.giganews.com>...
> > > > Here's what I'll do! Monday when I get to work, I'll hide a yellow
> > > > sticky somewhere, like in a restroom in an Apple building.
> > > >
> > > > Then I'll send an email to "John" telling him where it is so he can
> > > > verify.
> >
> > I'm not sure what that would prove, as AFAIK many of the restrooms in
> > the building are open to the public? How would that prove you are an
> > employee?
>
> Do you really think some random nut on usenet would drive out to Apple
> just to trick "jcr" that he works there.
>
> I suspect when I get into the office Monday, that I'm going to find
> out that there's no "jcr" working there. I don't think any Apple
> employee would be stupid enough to represent the Company, by posting
> his real name and position on usenet.

Damn, he's on to me. I'm not really an Apple employee at all, and that
'John C. Randolph' guy who frequents the Cocoa-developers mailing list
is just a figment of the collective imagination of all the Objective-C coders.

Gee, I wonder who taught the Cocoa early-bird sessions at WWDC this year?

Oh, and incidentally: I'm not 'representing the company' here. My
opinions are my own, although they are available under very reasonable
terms for anyone else's use.

One more thing: If I don't exist, then how is it that you claim to know
my *boss*?

-jcr

> > I would be more convinced if you quoted something from company policies
> > and procedures, something which is only available to employees. The
> > discount is well known. You might talk about procedures or employee
> > benefits, for example.
>
> Umm, that would be a breach of the NDA. All that stuff is confidential.

I know that. But unless he's using his real name, which I doubt, he has
nothing to fear. It doesn't seem like he has a high degree of loyalty to
the company, either.

BTW, I'm not saying this is something that anybody should normally do
and I think NDA's should be respected; but I'm still waiting for
something from this guy that would be convincing. Quoting a well-known
discount doesn't cut it for me.

Tell you what; like you, I'd settle if he can show he has access to
NetInfo.

> Do you really think some random nut on usenet would drive out to Apple
> just to trick "jcr" that he works there.
>
> I suspect when I get into the office Monday, that I'm going to find
> out that there's no "jcr" working there. I don't think any Apple
> employee would be stupid enough to represent the Company, by posting
> his real name and position on usenet.

I still think it's more likely he works for Apple than you do.

And if you do, which I still doubt, you're probably a temp contractor,
without many privileges, which is why you haven't answered the questions
people have put to you, because you can't.

In article <seeker1-66F583.10291207072003[at]news.comcast.giganews.com>,
Seeker1 <seeker1[at]mac.com> wrote:

> > Do you really think some random nut on usenet would drive out to Apple
> > just to trick "jcr" that he works there.
> >
> > I suspect when I get into the office Monday, that I'm going to find
> > out that there's no "jcr" working there. I don't think any Apple
> > employee would be stupid enough to represent the Company, by posting
> > his real name and position on usenet.
>
> I still think it's more likely he works for Apple than you do.
>
> And if you do, which I still doubt, you're probably a temp contractor,
> without many privileges, which is why you haven't answered the questions
> people have put to you, because you can't.

Even a contractor has access to Netinfo. (Don't ask me how I know.)

--
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Woofbert's Law on Learning Linux: When attempting to learn Linux,
study it thoroughly before you begin.

In article <seeker1-66F583.10291207072003[at]news.comcast.giganews.com>,
Seeker1 <seeker1[at]mac.com> wrote:

> I still think it's more likely he works for Apple than you do.
>
> And if you do, which I still doubt, you're probably a temp contractor,
> without many privileges, which is why you haven't answered the questions
> people have put to you, because you can't.

Even if he was a temp contractor he could still give the names of the
buildings and the name of the cafeteria. Plus the color of the
contractor badge, all of which he has avoided.

Seeker1 wrote in
<seeker1-3A15E8.10271207072003[at]news.comcast.giganews.com>:

>> > I would be more convinced if you quoted something from company policies
>> > and procedures, something which is only available to employees. The
>> > discount is well known. You might talk about procedures or employee
>> > benefits, for example.
>>
>> Umm, that would be a breach of the NDA. All that stuff is confidential.
>
>I know that. But unless he's using his real name, which I doubt, he has
>nothing to fear. It doesn't seem like he has a high degree of loyalty to
>the company, either.
>
>BTW, I'm not saying this is something that anybody should normally do
>and I think NDA's should be respected; but I'm still waiting for
>something from this guy that would be convincing. Quoting a well-known
>discount doesn't cut it for me.
>
>Tell you what; like you, I'd settle if he can show he has access to
>NetInfo.

This entire thread just furthers the notion that Apple is a cult.

And telling him to break confidentiality agreements with Apple is okay
because "he probably wouldn't get caught"? Given the control freaks
who run Apple, who don't even have an ounce of respect for the first
amendment rights of rumor sites, this is funny. I take it you don't
follow the company line on that topic.

John C. Randolph wrote:

> Seeker1 wrote:
>
>>>>Here's what I'll do! Monday when I get to work, I'll hide a yellow
>>>>sticky somewhere, like in a restroom in an Apple building.
>>>>
>>>>Then I'll send an email to "John" telling him where it is so he can
>>>>verify.
>>
>>I'm not sure what that would prove, as AFAIK many of the restrooms in
>>the building are open to the public? How would that prove you are an
>>employee?
>>
>>I would be more convinced if you quoted something from company policies
>>and procedures, something which is only available to employees. The
>>discount is well known. You might talk about procedures or employee
>>benefits, for example.
>
>
> Umm, that would be a breach of the NDA. All that stuff is confidential.
>
> -jcr

What if he is a janitor?

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:29:18 -0500, wheat
<harvest-this[at]mail.utexas.edu> wrote:

>> And if you do, which I still doubt, you're probably a temp contractor,
>> without many privileges, which is why you haven't answered the questions
>> people have put to you, because you can't.
>
>He could be a janitor....

Let me ask a better question (not just to you, wheat):

Why does anyone here care?

I know I sure as -hit don't, still its rather fun to read, the theories.
Regards
Gb

In article <511kgvcs8j708hfa6uopj5grgkrnrmj110[at]4ax.com>, foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> Let me ask a better question (not just to you, wheat):
>
> Why does anyone here care?

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"John C. Randolph" <jcr[at]nospam.idiom.com> wrote in message news:<3F0927DD.65A98414[at]nospam.idiom.com>...
>
> Oh, and incidentally: I'm not 'representing the company' here. My
> opinions are my own, although they are available under very reasonable
> terms for anyone else's use.

Let's see: you refuse to believe that

1. People who work for Apple run windows at home

and

2. Apple hires senior-level engineers, managers, and directors with no
Macintosh experience.

....and you try to say that I don't really work for Apple because this
"just can't be true."

Well, I've already proved it to you. And when I provide the
information you want, you RAISE THE BAR. Now, I'm not going to
disclose company proprietary information just to keep pleasing you.

And I have some advice for you, because I'm concerned for my fellow
man. APPLE IS JUST A COMPANY. YOUR JOB IS JUST A JOB.

Your entire *being* seems to be shaped around the fact that you're an
"Apple Employee". You like to have the Mac community grovel around
you, and you feed them by providing them with the "inside scoop."

One of these days, Apple will decide it needs to save some $$$ and lay
you off. Then what will become of you? Everything you've lived for
will be gone.

Let me make a suggestion. Stop thinking the world revolves around
Apple. Find some other way to define yourself as a person. Stop
spending your life posting to message boards.

And get a Windows XP machine so you can see what you've been missing!

--
Justin

"Justin in Cupertino" <cupertinojustin[at]yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:187fab45.0307071748.478b2728[at]posting.google.com
>> "John C. Randolph" <jcr[at]nospam.idiom.com> wrote in message
>> news:<3F0927DD.65A98414[at]nospam.idiom.com>...
>>>
>>> Oh, and incidentally: I'm not 'representing the company' here. My
>>> opinions are my own, although they are available under very
>>> reasonable
>>> terms for anyone else's use.
>>
>> Let's see: you refuse to believe that
>>
>> 1. People who work for Apple run windows at home
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2. Apple hires senior-level engineers, managers, and directors with
>> no
>> Macintosh experience.
>>
>> ...and you try to say that I don't really work for Apple because this
>> "just can't be true."
>>
>> Well, I've already proved it to you. And when I provide the
>> information you want, you RAISE THE BAR. Now, I'm not going to
>> disclose company proprietary information just to keep pleasing you.
>>
>> And I have some advice for you, because I'm concerned for my fellow
>> man. APPLE IS JUST A COMPANY. YOUR JOB IS JUST A JOB.
>>
>> Your entire *being* seems to be shaped around the fact that you're an
>> "Apple Employee". You like to have the Mac community grovel around
>> you, and you feed them by providing them with the "inside scoop."
>>
>> One of these days, Apple will decide it needs to save some $$$ and
>> lay
>> you off.
<snip>

Like Microsoft just did?

In article <BB2F4726.2F7D%peejster01[at]insightbb.com>,
"Jim Lee Jr." <peejster01[at]insightbb.com> wrote:

> in article 5ddjgvs02l3lpvvf1dt3cl202oaus9846i[at]4ax.com, Steve Hanson at
> icustomercare[at]usps.com wrote on 7/7/03 1:07 PM:
>
> > This entire thread just furthers the notion that Apple is a cult.
>
> Jealous? Poor baby, no one will bow down to you and kiss your ass...:(
>

Well, let's see. We could rate Apple on the Advanced Bonewits Cult
Danger Evaluation Form:

http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html

1: Internal Control: Amount of internal political
and social power exercised by leader(s) over members; lack of
clearly defined organizational rights for members. ... 2

2 External Control: Amount of external political
and social influence desired or obtained; emphasis on directing
members¹ external political and social behavior. ... 0

3 Wisdom/Knowledge Claimed by leader(s);
amount of infallibility declared or implied about decisions
or doctrinal/scriptural interpretations; number and degree of
unverified and/or unverifiable credentials claimed. ... 8

4 Wisdom/Knowledge Credited to leader(s)
by members; amount of trust in decisions or doctrinal/scriptural
interpretations made by leader(s); amount of hostility by members
towards internal or external critics and/or towards verification
efforts. ... 8

5 Dogma: Rigidity of reality concepts taught;
amount of doctrinal inflexibility or ³fundamentalism;²
hostility towards relativism and situationalism. ... 6

6 Recruiting: Emphasis put on attracting
new members; amount of proselytizing; requirement for all members
to bring in new ones. ... 6

7 Front Groups: Number of subsidiary groups
using different names from that of main group, especially when
connections are hidden. ... 0

8 Wealth: Amount of money and/or property
desired or obtained by group; emphasis on members¹ donations;
economic lifestyle of leader(s) compared to ordinary members. ... 8

9 Sexual Manipulation of members by leader(s)
of non-tantric groups; amount of control exercised over sexuality
of members in terms of sexual orientation, behavior, and/or
choice of partners. ... 0

10 Sexual Favoritism: Advancement or preferential
treatment dependent upon sexual activity with the leader(s)
of non-tantric groups. ... 0

11 Censorship: Amount of control over members¹
access to outside opinions on group, its doctrines or leader(s). .. 0

12 Isolation: Amount of effort to keep members
from communicating with non-members, including family, friends
and lovers. ... 0

13 Dropout Control: Intensity of efforts
directed at preventing or returning dropouts. ... 2

14 Violence: Amount of approval when used
by or for the group, its doctrines or leader(s). ... 0

15 Paranoia: Amount of fear concerning real
or imagined enemies; exaggeration of perceived power of opponents;
prevalence of conspiracy theories. .... 4

16 Grimness: Amount of disapproval concerning
jokes about the group, its doctrines or its leader(s). ... 2

17 Surrender of Will: Amount of emphasis
on members not having to be responsible for personal decisions;
degree of individual disempowerment created by the group, its
doctrines or its leader(s). ... 0

18 Hypocrisy: amount of approval for actions
which the group officially considers immoral or unethical, when
done by or for the group, its doctrines or leader(s); willingness
to violate the group¹s declared principles for political,
psychological, social, economic, military, or other gain. ... 2

We could rate Microsoft, too. It doesn't seem that Apple is a very
dangerous cult.

--
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Woofbert's Law on Learning Linux: When attempting to learn Linux,
study it thoroughly before you begin.

In article <187fab45.0307071748.478b2728[at]posting.google.com>,
cupertinojustin[at]yahoo.com (Justin in Cupertino) wrote:

> "John C. Randolph" <jcr[at]nospam.idiom.com> wrote in message
> news:<3F0927DD.65A98414[at]nospam.idiom.com>...
> >
> > Oh, and incidentally: I'm not 'representing the company' here. My
> > opinions are my own, although they are available under very reasonable
> > terms for anyone else's use.
>
> Let's see: you refuse to believe that
>
> 1. People who work for Apple run windows at home
>
> and
>
> 2. Apple hires senior-level engineers, managers, and directors with no
> Macintosh experience.
>
> ...and you try to say that I don't really work for Apple because this
> "just can't be true."
>
> Well, I've already proved it to you.

No, you haven't. You haven't proven anything. Several people have
suggested verifiable proofs they would accept, but you have not
satisfied them.

> And when I provide the
> information you want, you RAISE THE BAR. Now, I'm not going to
> disclose company proprietary information just to keep pleasing you.

No one's asking you to violate NDA.

> And I have some advice for you, because I'm concerned for my fellow
> man. APPLE IS JUST A COMPANY. YOUR JOB IS JUST A JOB.

Yep, it is that. I've been there...

> Your entire *being* seems to be shaped around the fact that you're an
> "Apple Employee". You like to have the Mac community grovel around
> you, and you feed them by providing them with the "inside scoop."

I don't think that's true of JCR.

> One of these days, Apple will decide it needs to save some $$$ and lay
> you off. Then what will become of you? Everything you've lived for
> will be gone.

That's a chance everyone takes.

> Let me make a suggestion. Stop thinking the world revolves around
> Apple. Find some other way to define yourself as a person. Stop
> spending your life posting to message boards.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

> And get a Windows XP machine so you can see what you've been missing!

I used Windows XP on a recent job. I know what I'm missing.

--
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Woofbert's Law on Learning Linux: When attempting to learn Linux,
study it thoroughly before you begin.

In article <187fab45.0307071748.478b2728[at]posting.google.com>,
cupertinojustin[at]yahoo.com (Justin in Cupertino) wrote:

> "John C. Randolph" <jcr[at]nospam.idiom.com> wrote in message
> news:<3F0927DD.65A98414[at]nospam.idiom.com>...
> >
> > Oh, and incidentally: I'm not 'representing the company' here. My
> > opinions are my own, although they are available under very reasonable
> > terms for anyone else's use.
>
> Let's see: you refuse to believe that
>
> 1. People who work for Apple run windows at home

No, I just refus to believe that you work at Apple because your story
isn't convincing. Not because you "run Windows at home." that's just a
cheap troll (like you are) :->
>
> and
>
> 2. Apple hires senior-level engineers, managers, and directors with no
> Macintosh experience.

It's unlikely. passion for the platform is what drives Apple. Without it
they are just another commodity computer vendor.

> ...and you try to say that I don't really work for Apple because this
> "just can't be true."
>
> Well, I've already proved it to you. And when I provide the
> information you want, you RAISE THE BAR. Now, I'm not going to
> disclose company proprietary information just to keep pleasing you.
>
> And I have some advice for you, because I'm concerned for my fellow
> man. APPLE IS JUST A COMPANY. YOUR JOB IS JUST A JOB.
>
> Your entire *being* seems to be shaped around the fact that you're an
> "Apple Employee". You like to have the Mac community grovel around
> you, and you feed them by providing them with the "inside scoop."

Actually, Mr. Randolph does not do that - ever. He's a respected member
of this online community, yes, but mostly because of his personal
integrity and fair mindedness, not because he works at Apple.

> One of these days, Apple will decide it needs to save some $$$ and lay
> you off. Then what will become of you? Everything you've lived for
> will be gone.

That's assuming that everything John Randolph lives for is Apple.
Somehow, I don't think that's the case.

> Let me make a suggestion. Stop thinking the world revolves around
> Apple. Find some other way to define yourself as a person. Stop
> spending your life posting to message boards.

He doesn't.
>
> And get a Windows XP machine so you can see what you've been missing!

He knows what he's missing: viruses, unreliable hardware, shitty
software and about the most poorly designed OS possible.

--
George Graves

Woofbert wrote:
>
> In article <187fab45.0307071748.478b2728[at]posting.google.com>,
> cupertinojustin[at]yahoo.com (Justin in Cupertino) wrote:

> > Your entire *being* seems to be shaped around the fact that you're an
> > "Apple Employee". You like to have the Mac community grovel around
> > you, and you feed them by providing them with the "inside scoop."
>
> I don't think that's true of JCR.

Actually, I find justin's fantasy of the Mac community "grovelling
around me" quite amusing. If it ever happens, I'll be sure to let him
know what it's like ;-)

-jcr

George Graves wrote:
>
> In article <187fab45.0307071748.478b2728[at]posting.google.com>,
> cupertinojustin[at]yahoo.com (Justin in Cupertino) wrote:
[snippage]

> > One of these days, Apple will decide it needs to save some $$$ and lay
> > you off. Then what will become of you? Everything you've lived for
> > will be gone.
>
> That's assuming that everything John Randolph lives for is Apple.
> Somehow, I don't think that's the case.

Funny, I wonder how I got along for 38 years before joining Apple? I've
only been working there since the beginning of 2002.

-jcr

foo wrote:
>
> On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:29:18 -0500, wheat
> <harvest-this[at]mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
> >> And if you do, which I still doubt, you're probably a temp contractor,
> >> without many privileges, which is why you haven't answered the questions
> >> people have put to you, because you can't.
> >
> >He could be a janitor....
>
> Let me ask a better question (not just to you, wheat):
>
> Why does anyone here care?

I wouldn't say that "care" is quite the right word. It's amusing, and
that's about all it is.

-jcr

In article <511kgvcs8j708hfa6uopj5grgkrnrmj110[at]4ax.com>, foo <foo[at]bar.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 18:29:18 -0500, wheat
> <harvest-this[at]mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
> >> And if you do, which I still doubt, you're probably a temp contractor,
> >> without many privileges, which is why you haven't answered the questions
> >> people have put to you, because you can't.
> >
> >He could be a janitor....
>
> Let me ask a better question (not just to you, wheat):
>
> Why does anyone here care?

That's what I've been asking. But it's amusing to see YOU ask the same thing,
given your lengthy discussion with Flip about where one said "Coke" about other
soft drinks.

--
Sandman[.net]

George Graves wrote:

> That's true. Also, why would somebody dis his employer's products in a
> public forum? That's not exactly a recipe for continued employment.

People like him tend to get themselves canned sooner or later. If he
doesn't like the company he works for, the people around him will pick
up on it.

-jcr

> Not every employee is bald, over 40 and single, and so obsessed with
> lousy overpriced food that he knows every flavor of burrito tortilla
> in the Apple cafe!

Right. People under 40, married, or with a full head of hair don't eat
in cafeterias for lunch. Got it. In fact, they can't even name the
cafeteria, because it would destroy their social calendar even to go
near it.

> And not every employee has to have a screwy net info photo of himself
> to attract attention.

It's weird you seem to really have this thing for John, Justin. I guess
it bugs you to know somebody actually likes working for the place they
work for.

I'll play your game -- if you really work for Apple, it seems like you
would be much happier somewhere else. Quit. I'm only telling you for
your benefit. You obviously don't like it there. I mean, forcing you to
use a mouse you hate, and making you work on a computer nobody should
ever use, and having a CEO who's a jerk... check the want ads, bud! Get
out while you still can!

Steve Hanson wrote:

[...]

>
> It IS a cult!

Nah, it is a protestant denomination.

John C. Randolph wrote in <3F0D2B29.75BB226D[at]nospam.idiom.com>:

>Justin in Cupertino wrote:
>
>> Not every employee is bald, over 40 and single,
>
>And thankfully, very, very few Apple employees are sullen
>under-performers who seethe with jealousy over our CEO's compensation.

Yes, "our" Great Leader. Featured in numerous articles on
out-of-control executive boards voting themselves grotesque comp
packages while CUTTING JOBS. What a very nice man he is.

Steve Hanson wrote:
> John C. Randolph wrote in <3F0D2B29.75BB226D[at]nospam.idiom.com>:
>
>> Justin in Cupertino wrote:
>>
>>> Not every employee is bald, over 40 and single,
>>
>> And thankfully, very, very few Apple employees are sullen
>> under-performers who seethe with jealousy over our CEO's
>> compensation.
>
> Yes, "our" Great Leader. Featured in numerous articles on
> out-of-control executive boards voting themselves grotesque comp
> packages while CUTTING JOBS. What a very nice man he is.


Don't forget that Apple has apparently not given raises to employees the
last 2 years. Presumably to take advantage of the severe recession in the
area. Savings going to Steve Jobs and senior management in the form of
higher compensation. Of course as usual prices stay high to the consumer.

In article <3F0D2B29.75BB226D[at]nospam.idiom.com>,
"John C. Randolph" <jcr[at]nospam.idiom.com> wrote:

> Justin in Cupertino wrote:
>
> > Not every employee is bald, over 40 and single,
>
> And thankfully, very, very few Apple employees are sullen
> under-performers who seethe with jealousy over our CEO's compensation.
>
> If you've got an issue with Steve getting a bunch of stock options and
> an airplane, do the math. Since he returned to Apple, shareholder's
> equity has increased by several billion dollars. That would be a
> bargain at ten times what he's made to date.
>
> > and so obsessed with
> > lousy overpriced food that he knows every flavor of burrito tortilla
> > in the Apple cafe!
>
> Lousy, overpriced food? WTF are you talking about? Apple has an
> excellent cafeteria, and the only places I've come across better
> catering were the executive dining rooms at Morgan Guaranty Trust in
> NYC, and InfoSys in Bangalore.
>
> > And not every employee has to have a screwy net info photo of himself
> > to attract attention.
>
> I get all the attention I need from my participation in WWDC, and
> working with the evangelists. My photo is published to make it easier
> for people to find me when they want to.
>
> Well kid, I sure hope you're enjoying this. I'm disappointed, but I
> guess that out of any group of thousands, it's likely that there's at
> least one person who's just marking time.
>
> I am happy to say though, that in the time I've been working at Apple,
> every person I've met and had occasion to work with was not only highly
> capable, but enthusiastic about the work they do. That's *everyone*,
> from the VP's to engineering to IS&T to the retail sales associates.
>
> I feel sorry for your co-workers. It's quite clear from your behavior
> here that you're not an easy person to get along with.
>
> -jcr

And I'm sure that his hatred of all of Apple's products shows in his
work and his attitude. It would have to. It's just a matter of time
before they make an attitude adjustment for him by kicking his Wintroll
ass out into the street, and good riddence!

--
George Graves

Steve Hanson wrote:
>
> John C. Randolph wrote in <3F0D2B29.75BB226D[at]nospam.idiom.com>:
>
> >Justin in Cupertino wrote:
> >
> >> Not every employee is bald, over 40 and single,
> >
> >And thankfully, very, very few Apple employees are sullen
> >under-performers who seethe with jealousy over our CEO's compensation.
>
> Yes, "our" Great Leader. Featured in numerous articles on
> out-of-control executive boards voting themselves grotesque comp
> packages while CUTTING JOBS. What a very nice man he is.

Nobody at Apple votes on their *own* compensation. The board decides
the CEO's compensation, and the stockholders decide the board's compensation.

-jcr

> Today I went into the cafe and examined the burrito tortillas. I don't
> know what they've named the three kinds, but there's a "regular
> tortilla color," a green one, and a reddish one.

Too afraid to get too close to the menu and read the names?

Any reason you omitted the name of the cafeteria?

> Today I went into the cafe and examined the burrito tortillas. I don't
> know what they've named the three kinds, but there's a "regular
> tortilla color," a green one, and a reddish one.

Out of curiosity, John, did he get the colors right? (What do they put
in the green one? Would I want to know? Hopefully just lots of food
coloring.)

Seeker1 wrote:

>>Today I went into the cafe and examined the burrito tortillas. I don't
>>know what they've named the three kinds, but there's a "regular
>>tortilla color," a green one, and a reddish one.
>
>
> Out of curiosity, John, did he get the colors right? (What do they put
> in the green one? Would I want to know? Hopefully just lots of food
> coloring.)

Spinach.

--
If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... oh wait, he does.

John C. Randolph wrote in <3F0E7B18.48B356BB[at]nospam.idiom.com>:

>Steve Hanson wrote:
>>
>> John C. Randolph wrote in <3F0D2B29.75BB226D[at]nospam.idiom.com>:
>>
>> >Justin in Cupertino wrote:
>> >
>> >> Not every employee is bald, over 40 and single,
>> >
>> >And thankfully, very, very few Apple employees are sullen
>> >under-performers who seethe with jealousy over our CEO's compensation.
>>
>> Yes, "our" Great Leader. Featured in numerous articles on
>> out-of-control executive boards voting themselves grotesque comp
>> packages while CUTTING JOBS. What a very nice man he is.
>
>Nobody at Apple votes on their *own* compensation. The board decides
>the CEO's compensation, and the stockholders decide the board's compensation.

Flew right over your head. The scandal in business is that certain
boards are stacked with cronies and executives from other businesses
who want to keep up the trend of bloated CEO salaries because, get
this, they also benefit from the practice. You approve my bonus, I
approve yours. A number of crony boards has been put under scrutiny
for this practice.

Elizabot <booREMOVE[at]grayREMOVErock.org> wrote:

> Seeker1 wrote:
>
> >>Today I went into the cafe and examined the burrito tortillas. I don't
> >>know what they've named the three kinds, but there's a "regular
> >>tortilla color," a green one, and a reddish one.
> >
> >
> > Out of curiosity, John, did he get the colors right? (What do they put
> > in the green one? Would I want to know? Hopefully just lots of food
> > coloring.)
>
> Spinach.

That's what he feared.

Lars T.
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Zuse ruleZ