toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
GeForce� FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.

Has a dvd-rw drive instead of just a dvd-r drive, which is a big plus,
has a fast 2.8 processor (equivalent to a g4 1.4?), better video card
$1100 less than the powerbook g4.

The minuses are 10/100 ethernet instead of gigabit, no firewire
800,802.11b instead of 802.11g, worse battery life (also doesnt give the
weight tho it looks fairer thin).

Here are the specs in a bit more detail


$2,179.00

In Stock
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.80GHz
Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (256MB x 2)
17" diagonal Wide-Screen XGA Display (1440 x 900)
NVIDIA® GeForce� FX Go5200 GPU w/32MB DDR memory
60GB HDD (4200 rpm)
DVD-R/RW
Integrated Wi-Fi� (IEEE 802.11a/b)
Panasonic MotionDV Studio�, Microsoft® Works
4-USB (2.0) ports
iLINK (IEEE 1394) port
1-FIR port
SD media slot
TV-Out port
10/100 Ethernet
V.92/56K modemº

On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:

>toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.

50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.

>Has a dvd-rw drive instead of just a dvd-r drive, which is a big plus,
>has a fast 2.8 processor (equivalent to a g4 1.4?), better video card
>$1100 less than the powerbook g4.
>
>The minuses are 10/100 ethernet instead of gigabit, no firewire

Read it again - it's got firewire.

>800,802.11b instead of 802.11g, worse battery life (also doesnt give the
>weight tho it looks fairer thin).
>
>Here are the specs in a bit more detail
>
>
>$2,179.00
>
> In Stock
>Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.80GHz
>Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
>512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (256MB x 2)
>17" diagonal Wide-Screen XGA Display (1440 x 900)
>NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5200 GPU w/32MB DDR memory
>60GB HDD (4200 rpm)
>DVD-R/RW
>Integrated Wi-Fi? (IEEE 802.11a/b)
>Panasonic MotionDV Studio?, Microsoft® Works
>4-USB (2.0) ports
>iLINK (IEEE 1394) port
>1-FIR port
>SD media slot
>TV-Out port
>10/100 Ethernet
>V.92/56K modemº

In article <no-12E067.16044101072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
no <no[at]no.com> wrote:

> The minuses are 10/100 ethernet instead of gigabit, no firewire
> 800,802.11b instead of 802.11g, worse battery life (also doesnt give the
> weight tho it looks fairer thin).

I read 9.9 pounds somewhere. Is that right?

Rob

On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:

>toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>
>Has a dvd-rw drive instead of just a dvd-r drive, which is a big plus,
>has a fast 2.8 processor (equivalent to a g4 1.4?), better video card
>$1100 less than the powerbook g4.
>
>The minuses are 10/100 ethernet instead of gigabit, no firewire
>800,802.11b instead of 802.11g, worse battery life (also doesnt give the
>weight tho it looks fairer thin).
>
>Here are the specs in a bit more detail
>
>
>$2,179.00
>
> In Stock
>Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.80GHz
>Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
>512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (256MB x 2)
>17" diagonal Wide-Screen XGA Display (1440 x 900)
>NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5200 GPU w/32MB DDR memory
>60GB HDD (4200 rpm)
>DVD-R/RW
>Integrated Wi-Fi? (IEEE 802.11a/b)
>Panasonic MotionDV Studio?, Microsoft® Works
>4-USB (2.0) ports
>iLINK (IEEE 1394) port
>1-FIR port
>SD media slot
>TV-Out port
>10/100 Ethernet
>V.92/56K modemº

and I still don't want a notebook that size.


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In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>
> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>
> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.

Well, no. More like a third less. And less battery life

Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier, and a crappy OS.

flip wrote:
> In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>>
>>> toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>>> notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512
>>> ram,NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>>
>> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>
> Well, no. More like a third less. And less battery life
>
> Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier, and a crappy OS.


No it does not use OS X. The excellent notebook uses the worlds
greatest OS - Windows XP.

> Has a dvd-rw drive instead of just a dvd-r drive, which is a big plus,

The drive in the Powerbook is a DVD-RW drive. However, the situation
there is worse than in the desktop models.

(On the desktop models, Apple simply ignores and refuses to acknowledge,
document, or support the drive's RW capability. They still call it
DVD-R, don't sell RW discs on the Apple Store, don't let you erase RW
discs from the Finder (you have to go to Disc Utility to do it), you
can't do packet writing to DVD-RW's (i.e. use them continously like you
would other removable media), and you still need to trick iDVD to use
DVD-RW's in it by putting a DVD-R in first then swapping.)

*(OTOH, DVD Studio Pro works with 'em just fine. Go figure.)
**(For those who asked before, that was what I meant by "no official
support".)

On the Powerbook, they lowered the burn speed and removed the RW
capability, presumably because people using those capabilities on a
laptop not left in place on a desk produced a high amount of coasters...

but the main point of all this is to actually suggest that if you're
willing to take the risk, you can find an unsupported firmware hack that
will re-enable RW burning on the 17". Given that, it's arguable that
this is not a feature difference.

> The minuses are 10/100 ethernet instead of gigabit, no firewire
> 800,802.11b instead of 802.11g, worse battery life (also doesnt give the
> weight tho it looks fairer thin).

You left out that it looks like the equipment they used to carry around
on the old TV show Space 1999.

> 1-FIR port

Infrared. Blech. That's so 1990's.

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:

>In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>>
>> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>>
>> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>
>Well, no. More like a third less.

Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.

>And less battery life

Probably.

>Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,

You've seen weight indications? Where?

>and a crappy OS.

Opinion.

In article <010720032325470017%star[at]sky.net>, Davoud <star[at]sky.net>
wrote:

> no:
>
> > Here are the specs in a bit more detail...
>
> Wouldn't matter if it were a 100GHz processor, 100 terabyte drive, 100
> GB of RAM, and 802.11z1 [at] 27 petabytes and cost $9.95. If it can't run
> the Mac OS, it ain't worth zip to me.
>
> Davoud

Hear, Hear!

--
George Graves

One good reason to avoid this, no matter how good the specs. It's built by
Toshiba who apparently have the worst customer support service in the world
and are screwing e740 pocket pc owners over bug fixes and upgrades. Quite a
lot of Toshiba e740 owners are disrecommending the company's products as a
result.

I'm sure there are other good reasons too. :-)




"no" <no[at]no.com> wrote in message
news:no-12E067.16044101072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> GeForce� FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>
> Has a dvd-rw drive instead of just a dvd-r drive, which is a big plus,
> has a fast 2.8 processor (equivalent to a g4 1.4?), better video card
> $1100 less than the powerbook g4.
>
> The minuses are 10/100 ethernet instead of gigabit, no firewire
> 800,802.11b instead of 802.11g, worse battery life (also doesnt give the
> weight tho it looks fairer thin).
>
> Here are the specs in a bit more detail
>
>
> $2,179.00
>
> In Stock
> Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.80GHz
> Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
> 512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (256MB x 2)
> 17" diagonal Wide-Screen XGA Display (1440 x 900)
> NVIDIA® GeForce� FX Go5200 GPU w/32MB DDR memory
> 60GB HDD (4200 rpm)
> DVD-R/RW
> Integrated Wi-Fi� (IEEE 802.11a/b)
> Panasonic MotionDV Studio�, Microsoft® Works
> 4-USB (2.0) ports
> iLINK (IEEE 1394) port
> 1-FIR port
> SD media slot
> TV-Out port
> 10/100 Ethernet
> V.92/56K modemº

In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>, foo <foo[at]bar.com>
wrote:

> >The minuses are 10/100 ethernet instead of gigabit, no firewire
>
> Read it again - it's got firewire.
>
> >800

Nice snipping there.

--
Sandman[.net]

In article <seeker1-444F83.22573101072003[at]news.comcast.giganews.com>,
Seeker1 <seeker1[at]mac.com> wrote:

> > Has a dvd-rw drive instead of just a dvd-r drive, which is a big plus,
>
> The drive in the Powerbook is a DVD-RW drive. However, the situation there
> is worse than in the desktop models.
>
> (On the desktop models, Apple simply ignores and refuses to acknowledge,
> document, or support the drive's RW capability.

Yet they still burn DVD-RW without a problem.

> They still call it DVD-R, don't sell RW discs on the Apple Store, don't let
> you erase RW discs from the Finder (you have to go to Disc Utility to do it)

You can't erase -anything- from the finder, including DVD-RW or CD-RW.

> you can't do packet writing to DVD-RW's (i.e. use them continously like you
> would other removable media), and you still need to trick iDVD to use
> DVD-RW's in it by putting a DVD-R in first then swapping.)

Incorrect, I burn DVD-RW all the time without 'tricking' iDVD at all.

--
Sandman[.net]

----------
In article <gmgraves-DDC6FD.23480201072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net> wrote:


> In article <no-12E067.16044101072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
> no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>
>> toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>> notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>> GeForce� FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>>
>> Has a dvd-rw drive instead of just a dvd-r drive, which is a big plus,
>> has a fast 2.8 processor (equivalent to a g4 1.4?), better video card
>> $1100 less than the powerbook g4.
>>
>> The minuses are 10/100 ethernet instead of gigabit, no firewire
>> 800,802.11b instead of 802.11g, worse battery life (also doesnt give the
>> weight tho it looks fairer thin).
>>
>> Here are the specs in a bit more detail
>
> You forgot the biggest minus. It runs Windows.

Occasionally! ..LOL

> --
> George Graves
>

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
wrote:

>In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
>> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>> >> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>> >> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>> >>
>> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>> >
>> >Well, no. More like a third less.
>>
>> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
>>
>> >And less battery life
>>
>> Probably.
>>
>> >Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
>>
>> You've seen weight indications? Where?
>>
>> >and a crappy OS.
>>
>> Opinion.
>
>FACT.

No, opinion.

In article <ftm5gvg9bniac3dpcg1ek2sbjlvpc6rd0c[at]4ax.com>,
foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
> >> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> >> >> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> >> >> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> >> >>
> >> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
> >> >
> >> >Well, no. More like a third less.
> >>
> >> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
> >>
> >> >And less battery life
> >>
> >> Probably.
> >>
> >> >Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
> >>
> >> You've seen weight indications? Where?
> >>
> >> >and a crappy OS.
> >>
> >> Opinion.
> >
> >FACT.
>
> No, opinion.
No fact. Look at the various studies on TCO of windows desktops (not the
MS sponsored ones).
If NT is so wonderful, why are they scrapping most of it in Longhorn? It
is supposed to be built from the group up on .NET and remappping win32
api calls through a wrapper into .NET calls.

The are even copying the compositor engine from OSX (Quartz) for display
to replace GDI+.

--
Ari Ukkonen

In article <ftm5gvg9bniac3dpcg1ek2sbjlvpc6rd0c[at]4ax.com>,
foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
> >> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> >> >> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> >> >> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> >> >>
> >> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
> >> >
> >> >Well, no. More like a third less.
> >>
> >> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
> >>
> >> >And less battery life
> >>
> >> Probably.
> >>
> >> >Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
> >>
> >> You've seen weight indications? Where?
> >>
> >> >and a crappy OS.
> >>
> >> Opinion.
> >
> >FACT.
>
> No, opinion.
Tell me, how often do you get the message telling explorer.exe is not
responding when trying to shutdown the box? :) I get it several times a
week.

--
Ari Ukkonen

John a écrit :

> flip wrote:
> > In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> >>> notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512
> >>> ram,NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> >>
> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
> >
> > Well, no. More like a third less. And less battery life
> >
> > Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier, and a crappy OS.
>
> No it does not use OS X. The excellent notebook uses the worlds
> greatest OS - Windows XP.

Greatest OS? Say that three times without laughing...

foo a écrit :

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
> >> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> >> >> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> >> >> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> >> >>
> >> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
> >> >
> >> >Well, no. More like a third less.
> >>
> >> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
> >>
> >> >And less battery life
> >>
> >> Probably.
> >>
> >> >Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
> >>
> >> You've seen weight indications? Where?
> >>
> >> >and a crappy OS.
> >>
> >> Opinion.
> >
> >FACT.
>
> No, opinion.

Opinion based on facts, which make it a good opinion. Not like someone who says
that Windows is better because Start button is green.

In article <aukkonen-C240B3.08392502072003[at]shawnews.gv.shawcable.net>,
Ari Ukkonen <aukkonen[at]shaw.ca> wrote:

> In article <ftm5gvg9bniac3dpcg1ek2sbjlvpc6rd0c[at]4ax.com>,
> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
> > > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
> > >> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> > >> >> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512
> > >> >> >ram,NVIDIA®
> > >> >> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
> > >> >
> > >> >Well, no. More like a third less.
> > >>
> > >> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
> > >>
> > >> >And less battery life
> > >>
> > >> Probably.
> > >>
> > >> >Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
> > >>
> > >> You've seen weight indications? Where?
> > >>
> > >> >and a crappy OS.
> > >>
> > >> Opinion.
> > >
> > >FACT.
> >
> > No, opinion.
> No fact. Look at the various studies on TCO of windows desktops (not the
> MS sponsored ones).

Actually, even the Microsoft sponsored study showed that Macs had lower
TCO than Windows.

In article <2SqMa.1$Pd2.38[at]newsfeed.avtel.net>,
"John" <nospam[at]nospam.com> wrote:

> flip wrote:
> > In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> >>> notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512
> >>> ram,NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> >>
> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
> >
> > Well, no. More like a third less. And less battery life
> >
> > Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier, and a crappy OS.
>
>
> No it does not use OS X. The excellent notebook uses the worlds
> greatest OS - Windows XP.
>

If XP is the worlds greatest OS, then why do any of the corporations in
the informed part of the world use W2K? Is it perhaps because XP is so
crappy?

Sure.

--
Regards,
JP
"The measure of a man is what he will do while expecting that he will get nothing in return!"

Macintosh for productivity. Linux for servers. Palm/Visor for mobility. Windows to feed the Black Hole in your IT budget

In article <010720032325470017%star[at]sky.net>, Davoud <star[at]sky.net>
wrote:

> no:
>
> > Here are the specs in a bit more detail...
>
> Wouldn't matter if it were a 100GHz processor, 100 terabyte drive, 100
> GB of RAM, and 802.11z1 [at] 27 petabytes and cost $9.95. If it can't run
> the Mac OS, it ain't worth zip to me.
>
> Davoud

While the PC won the desktop war, the Mac has won the OS war.

--
Regards,
JP
"The measure of a man is what he will do while expecting that he will get nothing in return!"

Macintosh for productivity. Linux for servers. Palm/Visor for mobility. Windows to feed the Black Hole in your IT budget

In article <dd5de929.0307020305.100a9bc8[at]posting.google.com>,
imouttahere[at]mac.com (Heywood Mogroot) wrote:

> no <no[at]no.com> wrote in message
> news:<no-12E067.16044101072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com>...
> > toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> > notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> > GeForce� FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>
> And the P25-S507 is "only" 9.9 lbs. Funny you didn't mention that part.


I have already stated how dishonest you are, no? What is your
relationship to Apple? Here is part of my post:

>> toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>> notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>> GeForce� FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>>
>> Has a dvd-rw drive instead of just a dvd-r drive, which is a big plus,
>> has a fast 2.8 processor (equivalent to a g4 1.4?), better video card
>> $1100 less than the powerbook g4.
>>
>> The minuses are 10/100 ethernet instead of gigabit, no firewire
>> 800,802.11b instead of 802.11g, worse battery life (also doesnt give
the
>> weight tho it looks fairer thin).
>>

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 15:39:29 GMT, Ari Ukkonen <aukkonen[at]shaw.ca>
wrote:

>In article <ftm5gvg9bniac3dpcg1ek2sbjlvpc6rd0c[at]4ax.com>,
> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
>> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
>> >> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>> >> >> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>> >> >> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, no. More like a third less.
>> >>
>> >> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
>> >>
>> >> >And less battery life
>> >>
>> >> Probably.
>> >>
>> >> >Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
>> >>
>> >> You've seen weight indications? Where?
>> >>
>> >> >and a crappy OS.
>> >>
>> >> Opinion.
>> >
>> >FACT.
>>
>> No, opinion.
>No fact. Look at the various studies on TCO of windows desktops (not the
>MS sponsored ones).

Please point out a few, hopefully with XP and 10.2.

>If NT is so wonderful, why are they scrapping most of it in Longhorn? It

If OS 9 was so wonderful why did Apple scrap ALL of it, buy a new
company, and release OS X years later? Because that's how innovation
and progress works.

>is supposed to be built from the group up on .NET and remappping win32
>api calls through a wrapper into .NET calls.
>
>The are even copying the compositor engine from OSX (Quartz) for display
>to replace GDI+.

In article <aukkonen-C240B3.08392502072003[at]shawnews.gv.shawcable.net>, Ari
Ukkonen wrote:
> If NT is so wonderful, why are they scrapping most of it in Longhorn? It

Do you really want to try that argument, considering how much of Apple's
past software was not made it into the current OS X?

--
Evidence Eliminator is worthless: www.evidence-eliminator-sucks.com
--Tim Smith

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 16:27:20 GMT, Jim Polaski <jpolaski[at]NOync.net>
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:

>In article <010720032325470017%star[at]sky.net>, Davoud <star[at]sky.net>
>wrote:
>
>> no:
>>
>> > Here are the specs in a bit more detail...
>>
>> Wouldn't matter if it were a 100GHz processor, 100 terabyte drive, 100
>> GB of RAM, and 802.11z1 [at] 27 petabytes and cost $9.95. If it can't run
>> the Mac OS, it ain't worth zip to me.
>>
>> Davoud
>
>While the PC won the desktop war, the Mac has won the OS war.

LOL! What a victory! 8)


--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence.

In article <aukkonen-8D71BC.08420902072003[at]shawnews.gv.shawcable.net>,
Ari Ukkonen <aukkonen[at]shaw.ca> wrote:

> Tell me, how often do you get the message telling explorer.exe is not
> responding when trying to shutdown the box? :)

Almost every time with our Win 2000 box at work.

--
Matti Haveri <mattiDOThaveriATsjokiDOTutaeiroskaaDOTfi> remove ei roskaa

In article <uf76gv0i7sij35154qnhjlm8hb0jos06gf[at]4ax.com>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

> >> Wouldn't matter if it were a 100GHz processor, 100 terabyte drive, 100
> >> GB of RAM, and 802.11z1 [at] 27 petabytes and cost $9.95. If it can't run
> >> the Mac OS, it ain't worth zip to me.
> >>
> >> Davoud
> >
> >While the PC won the desktop war, the Mac has won the OS war.
>
> LOL! What a victory!

Agreed. I rather have a computer with the best OS than a computer that sits on
most desks.

--
Sandman[.net]

In article <ftm5gvg9bniac3dpcg1ek2sbjlvpc6rd0c[at]4ax.com>,
foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
> >> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> >> >> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> >> >> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> >> >>
> >> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
> >> >
> >> >Well, no. More like a third less.
> >>
> >> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
> >>
> >> >And less battery life
> >>
> >> Probably.
> >>
> >> >Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
> >>
> >> You've seen weight indications? Where?
> >>
> >> >and a crappy OS.
> >>
> >> Opinion.
> >
> >FACT.
>
> No, opinion.

And yours isn't?

--
George Graves

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 20:48:16 +0200, Sandman <mr[at]sandman.net> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:

>In article <uf76gv0i7sij35154qnhjlm8hb0jos06gf[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Wouldn't matter if it were a 100GHz processor, 100 terabyte drive, 100
>> >> GB of RAM, and 802.11z1 [at] 27 petabytes and cost $9.95. If it can't run
>> >> the Mac OS, it ain't worth zip to me.
>> >>
>> >> Davoud
>> >
>> >While the PC won the desktop war, the Mac has won the OS war.
>>
>> LOL! What a victory!
>
>Agreed. I rather have a computer with the best OS than a computer that sits on
>most desks.

And since 'best OS' is completely subjective that could be almost
anything.


--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence.

In article <7566gvs5369fn1lhvec868scthaqrkc6bb[at]4ax.com>,
foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 15:42:09 GMT, Ari Ukkonen <aukkonen[at]shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >> No, opinion.
> >Tell me, how often do you get the message telling explorer.exe is not
> >responding when trying to shutdown the box? :) I get it several times a
> >week.
>
> I don't.
>
> I suggest you look at what tools you've installed that integrate with
> explorer - take them out and see if full functionality returns.

Good ol' foo. Can always be counted upon to appologize for every Windows
shortcoming by helpfully troubleshooting the problem in such a way as to
push the problem off onto the user and away from Windows.

--
George Graves

In article <oKWcnVzJP9KSY5-iU-KYvg[at]io.com>,
Duke Robillard <duke[at]io.com> wrote:

> George Graves wrote:
> > In article <no-12E067.16044101072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
>
> >>toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> >>notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> >>GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> >
> > You forgot the biggest minus. It runs Windows.
>
>
> Well, you can probably put Linux or FreeBSD on it, so it's
> not *so* bad.
>
> Duke

Oh, good, then you'd have a system with an even klunkier GUI and less
available software than Windows.

--
George Graves

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:12:28 +0200, Sandman <mr[at]sandman.net> chose to
bless us with the following wisdom:

>In article <jsa6gv0f1ag7jgbhq2t9buhaqcqpmmdara[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> >> Wouldn't matter if it were a 100GHz processor, 100 terabyte drive, 100
>> >> >> GB of RAM, and 802.11z1 [at] 27 petabytes and cost $9.95. If it can't run
>> >> >> the Mac OS, it ain't worth zip to me.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Davoud
>> >> >
>> >> > While the PC won the desktop war, the Mac has won the OS war.
>> >>
>> >> LOL! What a victory!
>> >
>> > Agreed. I rather have a computer with the best OS than a computer that sits
>> > on most desks.
>>
>> And since 'best OS' is completely subjective that could be almost anything.
>
>Yet it seemed that you agreed that the Mac won the OS war, yet tried to
>underplay it's importance, instead of just saying "Yeah, according to you".
>
>Funny.

It seems that sarcasm doesn't survive whatever English to Swedish
translator that you're using.


--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence.

Rick wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:48:48 -0700, John wrote:
>
>
>>flip wrote:
>>
>>>In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
>>> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>>>>>notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512
>>>>>ram,NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>>>>
>>>>50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>>>
>>>Well, no. More like a third less. And less battery life
>>>
>>>Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier, and a crappy OS.
>>
>>
>>No it does not use OS X. The excellent notebook uses the worlds
>>greatest OS - Windows XP.
>
> HAhah ahahah hhahahah ahahahah aha ahahahahahaha
> Oh, you were serious? How sad.

Of course he's serious. You're talking to Winnie.

--
If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... oh wait, he does.

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:58:56 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
wrote:

>In article <7b76gvkstrrjq54du4rmahd9ue8tchnr2g[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
>> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
>> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
>> >> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>> >> >> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>> >> >> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, no. More like a third less.
>> >>
>> >> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
>> >>
>> >> >And less battery life
>> >>
>> >> Probably.
>> >>
>> >> >Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
>> >>
>> >> You've seen weight indications? Where?
>> >>
>> >> >and a crappy OS.
>> >>
>> >> Opinion.
>> >
>> >FACT.
>>
>> No its an opinion. And based on the nigh unto complete ignorance of
>> Windows you display when pushed its an uninformed opinion at that. 8)
>
>Thanks for backing my statement up. Ever stop to think that if Windows
>were less crappy, it would be easier to learn, perhaps? No, I didn't
>think so.

George, most of your statements about Windows are years out of date or
just plain wrong. Why should anyone take that at face value? Your
"1000 fonts" nonsense is for the birds!

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:59:32 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
wrote:

>In article <ftm5gvg9bniac3dpcg1ek2sbjlvpc6rd0c[at]4ax.com>,
> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
>> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
>> >> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>> >> >> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>> >> >> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, no. More like a third less.
>> >>
>> >> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
>> >>
>> >> >And less battery life
>> >>
>> >> Probably.
>> >>
>> >> >Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
>> >>
>> >> You've seen weight indications? Where?
>> >>
>> >> >and a crappy OS.
>> >>
>> >> Opinion.
>> >
>> >FACT.
>>
>> No, opinion.
>
>And yours isn't?

Of course. But unlike you (the poster?), I recognize it as such.

no <no[at]no.com> wrote in message news:<no-49E8C7.10192802072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com>...
> In article <dd5de929.0307020305.100a9bc8[at]posting.google.com>,
> imouttahere[at]mac.com (Heywood Mogroot) wrote:
>
> > no <no[at]no.com> wrote in message
> > news:<no-12E067.16044101072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com>...
> > > toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> > > notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> > > GeForce� FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> >
> > And the P25-S507 is "only" 9.9 lbs. Funny you didn't mention that part.
>
>
> I have already stated how dishonest you are, no?

Where I have I been dishonest in your judgement?

> What is your relationship to Apple?

Former employee.

=Heywood=

In article <3F033F0E.7060107[at]grayREMOVErock.org>,
Elizabot <booREMOVE[at]grayREMOVErock.org> wrote:

> Rick wrote:
> > On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:48:48 -0700, John wrote:
> >
> >
> >>flip wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
> >>> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> >>>>>notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512
> >>>>>ram,NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> >>>>
> >>>>50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
> >>>
> >>>Well, no. More like a third less. And less battery life
> >>>
> >>>Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier, and a crappy OS.
> >>
> >>
> >>No it does not use OS X. The excellent notebook uses the worlds
> >>greatest OS - Windows XP.
> >
> > HAhah ahahah hhahahah ahahahah aha ahahahahahaha
> > Oh, you were serious? How sad.
>
> Of course he's serious. You're talking to Winnie.

Of course.

Wimpman lost another account for TOS violations.

Flip wrote:
> In article <3F033F0E.7060107[at]grayREMOVErock.org>,
> Elizabot <booREMOVE[at]grayREMOVErock.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Rick wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:48:48 -0700, John wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>flip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
>>>>>foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>>>>>>>notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512
>>>>>>>ram,NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, no. More like a third less. And less battery life
>>>>>
>>>>>Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier, and a crappy OS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No it does not use OS X. The excellent notebook uses the worlds
>>>>greatest OS - Windows XP.
>>>
>>>HAhah ahahah hhahahah ahahahah aha ahahahahahaha
>>>Oh, you were serious? How sad.
>>
>>Of course he's serious. You're talking to Winnie.
>
>
> Of course.
>
> Wimpman lost another account for TOS violations.

Nah. He normally posts from the mail room with an IP address like
205.254.241.49. Sometimes he posts with an IP address like 207.71.213.40 like he
has been recently. The boss is probably out of town and Winnie gets his chance
to sit at the boss's desk in the big office and use the computer.

--
If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... oh wait, he does.

Flip wrote:
> In article <3F033F0E.7060107[at]grayREMOVErock.org>,
> Elizabot <booREMOVE[at]grayREMOVErock.org> wrote:
>
>> Rick wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:48:48 -0700, John wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> flip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
>>>>> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17
>>>>>>> inch notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512
>>>>>>> ram,NVIDIA® GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all
>>>>>> around.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, no. More like a third less. And less battery life
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier, and a crappy OS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No it does not use OS X. The excellent notebook uses the worlds
>>>> greatest OS - Windows XP.
>>>
>>> HAhah ahahah hhahahah ahahahah aha ahahahahahaha
>>> Oh, you were serious? How sad.
>>
>> Of course he's serious. You're talking to Winnie.
>
> Of course.
>
> Wimpman lost another account for TOS violations.



Same ISP I have always been with. You're wrong as usual.

> > (On the desktop models, Apple simply ignores and refuses to acknowledge,
> > document, or support the drive's RW capability.
>
> Yet they still burn DVD-RW without a problem.

Nowhere have I disagreed with you that they have the capability; you
questioned why I said the capability lacks "official support".

So, I turn around and ask you -- tell me where in the system
documentation I can find info on how to use DVD-RW discs.

Tell me where anything *from Apple* describes the Superdrive as a DVD-RW
or anything other than a DVD-R.

It's not there: they are not officially supported, as I said.

> > They still call it DVD-R, don't sell RW discs on the Apple Store, don't let
> > you erase RW discs from the Finder (you have to go to Disc Utility to do it)
>
> You can't erase -anything- from the finder, including DVD-RW or CD-RW.

That's actually a good point - it is interesting that this is true for
my Zip disks as well. In OS 9, I used to be able to erase disks from a
Finder menu, or a contextual menu. I hope this comes back to the new
Finder in Panther. It is there in PathFinder. I understand Apple doesn't
want to make it too easy for people to erase their media, but there's
also no reason to make it too hard.

> > you can't do packet writing to DVD-RW's (i.e. use them continously like you
> > would other removable media), and you still need to trick iDVD to use
> > DVD-RW's in it by putting a DVD-R in first then swapping.)
>
> Incorrect, I burn DVD-RW all the time without 'tricking' iDVD at all.

Actually, I just found -- on a French site -- that this feature was
quietly added to iDVD 3. It isn't in iDVD 2, and I defy you to find it
in the official iDVD documentation. Tell me where in the documentation
it explains how to use DVD-RW in iDVD.

Which returns me to my comment about "official support".

In article <seeker1-A8EA51.23360902072003[at]news.comcast.giganews.com>,
Seeker1 <seeker1[at]mac.com> wrote:

> > > (On the desktop models, Apple simply ignores and refuses to acknowledge,
> > > document, or support the drive's RW capability.
> >
> > Yet they still burn DVD-RW without a problem.
>
> Nowhere have I disagreed with you that they have the capability; you
> questioned why I said the capability lacks "official support".
>
> So, I turn around and ask you -- tell me where in the system documentation I
> can find info on how to use DVD-RW discs.
>
> Tell me where anything *from Apple* describes the Superdrive as a DVD-RW or
> anything other than a DVD-R.
>
> It's not there: they are not officially supported, as I said.

Even Disk Copy has an option to "Erase CD/DVD-RW Disc". Ironically, searching
for "CD-RW" in Mac Help yields no hits, bu I'm sure you wouldn't call CD-RW
unsupported?

> > > They still call it DVD-R, don't sell RW discs on the Apple Store, don't
> > > let you erase RW discs from the Finder (you have to go to Disc Utility
> > > to do it)
> >
> > You can't erase -anything- from the finder, including DVD-RW or CD-RW.
>
> That's actually a good point - it is interesting that this is true for my
> Zip disks as well. In OS 9, I used to be able to erase disks from a Finder
> menu, or a contextual menu. I hope this comes back to the new Finder in
> Panther. It is there in PathFinder. I understand Apple doesn't want to make
> it too easy for people to erase their media, but there's also no reason to
> make it too hard.

I guess there aren't that many media that people use that need to be erased,
since most people use CD-R disks.

> > > you can't do packet writing to DVD-RW's (i.e. use them continously like
> > > you would other removable media), and you still need to trick iDVD to
> > > use DVD-RW's in it by putting a DVD-R in first then swapping.)
> >
> > Incorrect, I burn DVD-RW all the time without 'tricking' iDVD at all.
>
> Actually, I just found -- on a French site -- that this feature was quietly
> added to iDVD 3. It isn't in iDVD 2, and I defy you to find it in the
> official iDVD documentation. Tell me where in the documentation it explains
> how to use DVD-RW in iDVD.

There isn't anything in the documentation on how to use CD-RW media in iTunes
either. Is that also unsupported?

--
Sandman[.net]

One good reason to avoid this, no matter how good the specs. It's built by
Toshiba who apparently have the worst customer support service in the world
and are screwing e740 pocket pc owners over bug fixes and upgrades. Quite a
lot of Toshiba e740 owners are disrecommending the company's products as a
result.

I'm sure there are other good reasons too. :-)




"no" <no[at]no.com> wrote in message
news:no-12E067.16044101072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> GeForce� FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>
> Has a dvd-rw drive instead of just a dvd-r drive, which is a big plus,
> has a fast 2.8 processor (equivalent to a g4 1.4?), better video card
> $1100 less than the powerbook g4.
>
> The minuses are 10/100 ethernet instead of gigabit, no firewire
> 800,802.11b instead of 802.11g, worse battery life (also doesnt give the
> weight tho it looks fairer thin).
>
> Here are the specs in a bit more detail
>
>
> $2,179.00
>
> In Stock
> Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor 2.80GHz
> Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
> 512MB PC2100 DDR SDRAM (256MB x 2)
> 17" diagonal Wide-Screen XGA Display (1440 x 900)
> NVIDIA® GeForce� FX Go5200 GPU w/32MB DDR memory
> 60GB HDD (4200 rpm)
> DVD-R/RW
> Integrated Wi-Fi� (IEEE 802.11a/b)
> Panasonic MotionDV Studio�, Microsoft® Works
> 4-USB (2.0) ports
> iLINK (IEEE 1394) port
> 1-FIR port
> SD media slot
> TV-Out port
> 10/100 Ethernet
> V.92/56K modemº

"Ari Ukkonen" <aukkonen[at]shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:aukkonen-8D71BC.08420902072003[at]shawnews.gv.shawcable.net...
> Tell me, how often do you get the message telling explorer.exe is not
> responding when trying to shutdown the box? :) I get it several times a
> week.
I have two XP boxes (and two MAC's) and none do as you describe. But I
understand your frustration - Its true that Windows seems
to suffer more from those odd, unexplained 'glitches' than OSX, or even OS9
in my humble opinion.

> --
> Ari Ukkonen

"Jim Polaski" <jpolaski[at]NOync.net> wrote in message
news:jpolaski-3BAE3F.11270802072003[at]netnews.attbi.com...
> In article <010720032325470017%star[at]sky.net>, Davoud <star[at]sky.net>
> wrote:
>
> > no:
> >
> > > Here are the specs in a bit more detail...
> >
> > Wouldn't matter if it were a 100GHz processor, 100 terabyte drive, 100
> > GB of RAM, and 802.11z1 [at] 27 petabytes and cost $9.95. If it can't run
> > the Mac OS, it ain't worth zip to me.
> >
> > Davoud
>
> While the PC won the desktop war, the Mac has won the OS war.
Thats a war that will never be 'won' I would say.

for mobility. Windows to feed the Black Hole in your IT budget

"George Graves" <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:gmgraves-BAA095.12043802072003[at]newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> In article <oKWcnVzJP9KSY5-iU-KYvg[at]io.com>,
> Duke Robillard <duke[at]io.com> wrote:
>
> > George Graves wrote:
> > > In article <no-12E067.16044101072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
> >
> > >>toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> > >>notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> > >>GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> > >
> > > You forgot the biggest minus. It runs Windows.
> >
> >
> > Well, you can probably put Linux or FreeBSD on it, so it's
> > not *so* bad.
> >
> > Duke
>
> Oh, good, then you'd have a system with an even klunkier GUI and less
> available software than Windows.
Got so say Im with you 100% on this one :-)
>
> --
> George Graves
>

George Graves wrote:

> Duke Robillard <duke[at]io.com> wrote:
>>George Graves wrote:
>>
>>>In article <no-12E067.16044101072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
>>
>>>>toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>>>>notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>>>>GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>>>
>>>You forgot the biggest minus. It runs Windows.
>>
>>Well, you can probably put Linux or FreeBSD on it, so it's
>>not *so* bad.
>
> Oh, good, then you'd have a system with an even klunkier GUI and less
> available software than Windows.

Yeah, but at least the software that *does* run on it
won't crash the machine all the time. :-)

Duke

> Even Disk Copy has an option to "Erase CD/DVD-RW Disc". Ironically, searching
> for "CD-RW" in Mac Help yields no hits, bu I'm sure you wouldn't call CD-RW
> unsupported?

> There isn't anything in the documentation on how to use CD-RW media in iTunes
> either. Is that also unsupported?

You got me curious about this, so I went poking through Help again. As
it turns out, there most definitely IS a ("X Mac Help") help article
entitled "About CD-RW discs".

Interestingly, I also DID get hits for DVD-RW: however, the only ones
that mentioned you could burn a DVD-RW were from the "iTunes & Music
Store Help" section... where there is an article called "About CD-RW,
CD-R, and DVD Media" ... which given its name must be recent, i.e. as of
iTunes 4. Therefore it wouldn't have been there more than 3 months ago.

We are arguing about semantics as always here, Sandman, but I will
concede you are right when Apple calls the Superdrive a DVD-RW drive:
which it still does not. Even in the page on the not yet shipping G5, it
says the Superdrive is a DVD-R/CD-RW.

I think I understood their initial reasons for downplaying the RW
capability, but I can't understand why they continue to do so.

In article <seeker1-441805.10155703072003[at]news.comcast.giganews.com>,
Seeker1 <seeker1[at]mac.com> wrote:

> > Even Disk Copy has an option to "Erase CD/DVD-RW Disc". Ironically,
> > searching for "CD-RW" in Mac Help yields no hits, bu I'm sure you wouldn't
> > call CD-RW unsupported?
>
> > There isn't anything in the documentation on how to use CD-RW media in
> > iTunes either. Is that also unsupported?
>
> You got me curious about this, so I went poking through Help again. As it
> turns out, there most definitely IS a ("X Mac Help") help article entitled
> "About CD-RW discs".

I meants pecifically about iTunes, just as you mean specificaly about iDVD. It
was just my way o show you that the lack of mentioning a certain media in an
applications help doesn't mean it doesn't support it.

> We are arguing about semantics as always here, Sandman, but I will concede
> you are right when Apple calls the Superdrive a DVD-RW drive: which it still
> does not. Even in the page on the not yet shipping G5, it says the
> Superdrive is a DVD-R/CD-RW.

Granted, but the physical drive IS a DVD-RW and I've yet to find an instance
where that functionality isn't supported.

> I think I understood their initial reasons for downplaying the RW
> capability, but I can't understand why they continue to do so.

Agreed.

--
Sandman[.net]

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:58:56 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:

>In article <7b76gvkstrrjq54du4rmahd9ue8tchnr2g[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
>> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
>> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
>> >> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>> >> >> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>> >> >> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, no. More like a third less.
>> >>
>> >> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
>> >>
>> >> >And less battery life
>> >>
>> >> Probably.
>> >>
>> >> >Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
>> >>
>> >> You've seen weight indications? Where?
>> >>
>> >> >and a crappy OS.
>> >>
>> >> Opinion.
>> >
>> >FACT.
>>
>> No its an opinion. And based on the nigh unto complete ignorance of
>> Windows you display when pushed its an uninformed opinion at that. 8)
>
>Thanks for backing my statement up. Ever stop to think that if Windows
>were less crappy, it would be easier to learn, perhaps? No, I didn't
>think so.

Millions of people have learned it, George. If you put your Mac aside
for a month and used only your PC you'd learn more about it and
probably end a lot of your frustrations with it.
Whenever I have to use a Mac it drives me around the bend. It seems as
if it was purposely designed to do things in the most illogical,
backasswards way imaginable.
The difference between us is that I realize that its mostly because I
seldom use a Mac and am not familiar with how it works. If I needed to
use one on a regular basis I'd take the time to learn it inside and
out. I'd be able to make it do things that would make Apple's
engineers say 'I didn't know you could do that.' after I got done. I
certainly would waste my time with a bunch of complaining that boils
down to 'I refuse to learn it'.


--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence.

In article <iLVMa.3251035$YZ.487460[at]news.easynews.com>,
"Tim O'Connor" <tbo[at]spamsucks.bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> "George Graves" <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:gmgraves-BAA095.12043802072003[at]newssvr14-ext.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <oKWcnVzJP9KSY5-iU-KYvg[at]io.com>,
> > Duke Robillard <duke[at]io.com> wrote:
> >
> > > George Graves wrote:
> > > > In article <no-12E067.16044101072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
> > >
> > > >>toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> > > >>notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
> > > >>GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> > > >
> > > > You forgot the biggest minus. It runs Windows.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, you can probably put Linux or FreeBSD on it, so it's
> > > not *so* bad.
> > >
> > > Duke
> >
> > Oh, good, then you'd have a system with an even klunkier GUI and less
> > available software than Windows.

> Got so say Im with you 100% on this one :-)

It just a fact -100% verifiable. Linux GUIs, while they've come a long
way from the simple FreeX86 - X11 beginings, are nowhere near as
sophisticated or as consistent or even as logical as Windows, and
Windows is terrible at these things. Software? Well, that's a no
brainer. There's not much and what's there is generally mediocre:
OpenOffice, GIMP, etc. and definately poorer than just about anything
for Windows. I've nothing against Linux, mind you. If I needed a
full-time server sitting in the closet, Linux running Apache is where
I'd be. But other than for "computer enthusiasts" and real cheapskates,
it's not much of a desktop computer. Maybe someday it will be, but one
of the drawbacks of open source software is the glacial pace at which
development proceeds.

--
George Graves

Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:58:56 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
>
>>In article <7b76gvkstrrjq54du4rmahd9ue8tchnr2g[at]4ax.com>,
>>Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
>>>chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
>>>>foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
>>>>>>foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>>>>>>>>notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>>>>>>>>GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, no. More like a third less.
>>>>>
>>>>>Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>And less battery life
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
>>>>>
>>>>>You've seen weight indications? Where?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>and a crappy OS.
>>>>>
>>>>>Opinion.
>>>>
>>>>FACT.
>>>
>>>No its an opinion. And based on the nigh unto complete ignorance of
>>>Windows you display when pushed its an uninformed opinion at that. 8)
>>
>>Thanks for backing my statement up. Ever stop to think that if Windows
>>were less crappy, it would be easier to learn, perhaps? No, I didn't
>>think so.
>
>
> Millions of people have learned it, George. If you put your Mac aside
> for a month and used only your PC you'd learn more about it and
> probably end a lot of your frustrations with it.

You mean it takes a whole month to figure out how to use Windows?

> Whenever I have to use a Mac it drives me around the bend. It seems as
> if it was purposely designed to do things in the most illogical,
> backasswards way imaginable.
> The difference between us is that I realize that its mostly because I
> seldom use a Mac and am not familiar with how it works. If I needed to
> use one on a regular basis I'd take the time to learn it inside and
> out. I'd be able to make it do things that would make Apple's
> engineers say 'I didn't know you could do that.' after I got done. I
> certainly would waste my time with a bunch of complaining that boils
> down to 'I refuse to learn it'.
>
>



--
If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... oh wait, he does.

In article <6m39gvkb0k2cmcak2d77srhoq4m0ja8kdb[at]4ax.com>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 18:58:56 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <7b76gvkstrrjq54du4rmahd9ue8tchnr2g[at]4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> >>
> >> >In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
> >> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
> >> >> > foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
> >> >> >> >notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512
> >> >> >> >ram,NVIDIA®
> >> >> >> >GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all
> >> >> >> around.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Well, no. More like a third less.
> >> >>
> >> >> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
> >> >>
> >> >> >And less battery life
> >> >>
> >> >> Probably.
> >> >>
> >> >> >Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
> >> >>
> >> >> You've seen weight indications? Where?
> >> >>
> >> >> >and a crappy OS.
> >> >>
> >> >> Opinion.
> >> >
> >> >FACT.
> >>
> >> No its an opinion. And based on the nigh unto complete ignorance of
> >> Windows you display when pushed its an uninformed opinion at that. 8)
> >
> >Thanks for backing my statement up. Ever stop to think that if Windows
> >were less crappy, it would be easier to learn, perhaps? No, I didn't
> >think so.
>
> Millions of people have learned it, George. If you put your Mac aside
> for a month and used only your PC you'd learn more about it and
> probably end a lot of your frustrations with it.
> Whenever I have to use a Mac it drives me around the bend. It seems as
> if it was purposely designed to do things in the most illogical,
> backasswards way imaginable.

Like I said before, that's because you are used to Windows. Actually the
Mac is (according to most "unbiased" sources) the more logical and
consistent of the two interfaces. I cannot comment from personal
experience because after the Mac, Windows seems a mess. Just as I'm sure
that the Mac seems unintuitive, illogical and inconsistent to Windows
users.

> The difference between us is that I realize that its mostly because I
> seldom use a Mac and am not familiar with how it works.

I realize it as well. I also realize that essentially all unbiased
studies have given the nod to MacOS over Windows for consistency, logic
of the interface, intuitiveness and overall usability. OTOH, no amount
of experience will change the fact that Windows is ugly to me. It just
is. And don't give me any advice about 'skins' either, they don't help
and most are as bad or worse than the default install of Windows.

> If I needed to use one on a regular basis I'd take the time to learn it inside and
> out.

I don't use it on a regular basis. I don't WANT to use it on a regular
basis. I haven't had it on for two weeks (last time was to program a new
'Universal Remote Control" that was sent to me to review for The
Audiophile Voice." Their Mac interface software isn't ready yet.)

> I'd be able to make it do things that would make Apple's
> engineers say 'I didn't know you could do that.' after I got done. I
> certainly would waste my time with a bunch of complaining that boils
> down to 'I refuse to learn it'.

Well. The difference between you and me boils down to the fact that I
don't like Windows, and nothing I have learned about it in the 8 years
since Windows 95 came out has done anything to change my opinion. In
fact, the more I learn about it, the less I like it. The last bout of
"learning" had to do with setting up a Linksys Wireless Router to
connect my desktop Mac, my PC and my Airport-enabled PowerBook together.
It's really funny. Linksys doesn't even SUPPORT the Mac and doesn't even
mention the platform in it's instructions or literature, yet I had less
trouble getting my two Macs to talk to the router, and thereby to the
DSL interface box than I had getting the Windows box connected and
running (using DHCP) FOLLOWING THE MFG'S STEP-BY-STEP INSTRUCTIONS! I
finally got it to work after a call to Linksys 24 hr technical support
(excellent, BTW), but with the Mac I didn't need it. Sure, it was my
fault, not Windows, and not Linksys. I'm not going to get into to
details (mostly because I really don't remember them - I just followed
the phone support guy's instructions), but suffice to say that I made an
assumption that was incorrect, and 'second-guessed" the instructions.
But I will say that it was a natural assumption for anyone to make, and
the Linksys guy said that he's received calls from lots of people who
have done the same thing, so I might be 'dumb' when it comes to Windows
(I prefer to call it "blissfully ignorant of bad rubbish" :->) but at
least I'm not alone.

--
George Graves

in article ftm5gvg9bniac3dpcg1ek2sbjlvpc6rd0c[at]4ax.com, foo at foo[at]bar.com
wrote on 2/7/03 11:16 PM:

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
>> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
>>>> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>>>>>> notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>>>>>> GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>>>>>
>>>>> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>>>>
>>>> Well, no. More like a third less.
>>>
>>> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
>>>
>>>> And less battery life
>>>
>>> Probably.
>>>
>>>> Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
>>>
>>> You've seen weight indications? Where?
>>>
>>>> and a crappy OS.
>>>
>>> Opinion.
>>
>> FACT.
>
> No, opinion.

No, fact. Get with reality.

On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 00:58:43 +1000, Jonathan Boles
<jaboles[at]ihug.com.au> wrote:

>in article ftm5gvg9bniac3dpcg1ek2sbjlvpc6rd0c[at]4ax.com, foo at foo[at]bar.com
>wrote on 2/7/03 11:16 PM:
>
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:49:55 GMT, George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <6mj4gvkdggedtq7jvgavdhngon5bj85994[at]4ax.com>,
>>> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 01:36:25 GMT, flip <flippo[at]mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <km54gv8a5la7u53up2tkhqjijrvt9g3akd[at]4ax.com>,
>>>>> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 23:04:41 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> toshiba satelite, p4 2.8. Preety cool that you can get a 17 inch
>>>>>>> notebook with a fast 2.8 processor, 60 gig hard drive, 512 ram,NVIDIA®
>>>>>>> GeForce? FX Go5200 AND a dvd-rw for just $2179.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 50% less, faster components, faster graphics card, faster all around.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, no. More like a third less.
>>>>
>>>> Right - I should've said 50% more for the Mac.
>>>>
>>>>> And less battery life
>>>>
>>>> Probably.
>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention significantly heavier, bulkier,
>>>>
>>>> You've seen weight indications? Where?
>>>>
>>>>> and a crappy OS.
>>>>
>>>> Opinion.
>>>
>>> FACT.
>>
>> No, opinion.
>
>No, fact. Get with reality.

Please prove your case.

Stephan Schulz a écrit :

> In article <3F02FE29.1B54554[at]oricom.ca>, François Gagnon wrote:
> >
> >John a écrit :
> [...]
> >> No it does not use OS X. The excellent notebook uses the worlds
> >> greatest OS - Windows XP.
> >
> >Greatest OS? Say that three times without laughing...
>
> Ok, I'll byte.
>
> "Windows XP is the worlds greatestpfhbnmwhahhahahhaha"
>
> Next try...
>
> "Windows XP is the pfrmlhahahahahh...."
>
> Sorry.
>
> "Windows XP is an operating system".

OK, I'll not blame you, you did what you can. Excuse me for the hard question.

In article <rbarris-005179.16203401072003[at]news.newsguy.com>, Rob Barris
<rbarris[at]mac.com> wrote:

> In article <no-12E067.16044101072003[at]newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com>,
> no <no[at]no.com> wrote:
>
> > The minuses are 10/100 ethernet instead of gigabit, no firewire
> > 800,802.11b instead of 802.11g, worse battery life (also doesnt give the
> > weight tho it looks fairer thin).
>
> I read 9.9 pounds somewhere. Is that right?

That's what the PDF spec sheet at toshiba.com says.

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In article <3F05A9DA.5AACB370[at]oricom.ca>, François Gagnon wrote:
>
>Stephan Schulz a écrit :
>
>> In article <3F02FE29.1B54554[at]oricom.ca>, François Gagnon wrote:
>> >
>> >John a écrit :
>> [...]
>> >> No it does not use OS X. The excellent notebook uses the worlds
>> >> greatest OS - Windows XP.
>> >
>> >Greatest OS? Say that three times without laughing...
>>
>> Ok, I'll byte.
[...and failed]
>> "Windows XP is an operating system".
>
>OK, I'll not blame you, you did what you can. Excuse me for the hard
>question.

It wasn't that much harder than the examination for my Ph.D. On the
other hand, I prepared a couple of month for that one...

Bye,

Stephan

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