Hi

I have a PC and I'm thinking about getting one of the shiny new 20GB or 40GB
iPods.....

I do have some minor concerns though.....

My PC is a laptop and has USB 1.1, and FireWire..... Problem is the FireWire
plug is a 4 pin......
How does the iPod work around this? Does the supplied dock connect through a
6-6pin cable or a 6-4pin? If the dock itself takes a 4 pin, can I just plug a
4-4pin cable into it?
Anything else I should know about for this situation?

TIA

- David Angelovich

In article <3f5d51e5$0$11477$afc38c87[at]news.optusnet.com.au>,
"David Angelovich" <dangelovich[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have a PC

Oh dear, better luck next time.

> and I'm thinking about getting one of the shiny new 20GB or 40GB
> iPods.....

Good thinking.

> I do have some minor concerns though.....
>
> My PC is a laptop and has USB 1.1, and FireWire..... Problem is the FireWire
> plug is a 4 pin......

Get a PCMCIA card with a 6-pin then.

> How does the iPod work around this?

It doesn't. You do.

> Does the supplied dock connect through a
> 6-6pin cable or a 6-4pin?

6-pin, IIRC. It's necessary for the iPod to be able to draw power
(recharge).

Clearly, this is very confusing for you. I'd suggest you sell your PC
laptop and buy a Mac laptop instead. They're better.
--
Cheers,
_Chas_
http://www.apple.com/switch
non-spammers can write to chasm at mac (dot com)

Charles Martin schreef:
> Clearly, this is very confusing for you. I'd suggest you sell your PC
> laptop and buy a Mac laptop instead. They're better.

What kind of reply is that? This way you're only discouraging him to buy an
iPod.



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(oooh en aaah are pronounced slowly)

On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 07:47:15 GMT, Charles Martin
<rubbish[at]bollocks.org> wrote:

>In article <3f5d51e5$0$11477$afc38c87[at]news.optusnet.com.au>,
> "David Angelovich" <dangelovich[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a PC
>
>Oh dear, better luck next time.
>
>> and I'm thinking about getting one of the shiny new 20GB or 40GB
>> iPods.....
>
>Good thinking.
>
>> I do have some minor concerns though.....
>>
>> My PC is a laptop and has USB 1.1, and FireWire..... Problem is the FireWire
>> plug is a 4 pin......
>
>Get a PCMCIA card with a 6-pin then.
>
>> How does the iPod work around this?
>
>It doesn't. You do.
>
>> Does the supplied dock connect through a
>> 6-6pin cable or a 6-4pin?
>
>6-pin, IIRC. It's necessary for the iPod to be able to draw power
>(recharge).
>
>Clearly, this is very confusing for you. I'd suggest you sell your PC
>laptop and buy a Mac laptop instead. They're better.

Incorrect... the newer 3rd generation iPods include a 6-pin to 4-pin
Firewire adapter in the box. Moreover, the same package includes both
Mac and Windows software.

While it's nice to be able to recharge from the PC, it also includes a
power adapter that looks like the iBook/Powerbooks, but has a
firewire-like jack for the iPod's cable.

"Alan Zisman" <alan[at]nospam.zisman.ca> wrote in message
news:deorlvslc4kli49vvemkob19ekgfglv1r1[at]4ax.com...
> On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 07:47:15 GMT, Charles Martin
> <rubbish[at]bollocks.org> wrote:
>
> >In article <3f5d51e5$0$11477$afc38c87[at]news.optusnet.com.au>,
> > "David Angelovich" <dangelovich[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I have a PC
> >
> >Oh dear, better luck next time.
> >
> >> and I'm thinking about getting one of the shiny new 20GB or 40GB
> >> iPods.....
> >
> >Good thinking.
> >
> >> I do have some minor concerns though.....
> >>
> >> My PC is a laptop and has USB 1.1, and FireWire..... Problem is the
FireWire
> >> plug is a 4 pin......
> >
> >Get a PCMCIA card with a 6-pin then.
> >
> >> How does the iPod work around this?
> >
> >It doesn't. You do.
> >
> >> Does the supplied dock connect through a
> >> 6-6pin cable or a 6-4pin?
> >
> >6-pin, IIRC. It's necessary for the iPod to be able to draw power
> >(recharge).
> >
> >Clearly, this is very confusing for you. I'd suggest you sell your PC
> >laptop and buy a Mac laptop instead. They're better.
>
> Incorrect... the newer 3rd generation iPods include a 6-pin to 4-pin
> Firewire adapter in the box. Moreover, the same package includes both
> Mac and Windows software.
>
> While it's nice to be able to recharge from the PC, it also includes a
> power adapter that looks like the iBook/Powerbooks, but has a
> firewire-like jack for the iPod's cable.


This is exactly why I was asking... They include the adapter......!
Does the dock have separate power supply and data? Or does it get it's power
from FireWire too? What about USB2?

"Charles Martin" <rubbish[at]bollocks.org> wrote in message
news:rubbish-117B65.03471409092003[at]newsr1.tampabay.rr.com...
> In article <3f5d51e5$0$11477$afc38c87[at]news.optusnet.com.au>,
> "David Angelovich" <dangelovich[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I have a PC
>
> Oh dear, better luck next time.
>
> > and I'm thinking about getting one of the shiny new 20GB or 40GB
> > iPods.....
>
> Good thinking.
>
> > I do have some minor concerns though.....
> >
> > My PC is a laptop and has USB 1.1, and FireWire..... Problem is the FireWire
> > plug is a 4 pin......
>
> Get a PCMCIA card with a 6-pin then.
>
> > How does the iPod work around this?
>
> It doesn't. You do.
>
> > Does the supplied dock connect through a
> > 6-6pin cable or a 6-4pin?
>
> 6-pin, IIRC. It's necessary for the iPod to be able to draw power
> (recharge).
>
> Clearly, this is very confusing for you. I'd suggest you sell your PC
> laptop and buy a Mac laptop instead. They're better.
> --
> Cheers,
> _Chas_
> http://www.apple.com/switch
> non-spammers can write to chasm at mac (dot com)



I'd buy one if I could...... Will you buy me a mac???
:D

- David Angelovich

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:14:50 +1000, "David Angelovich"
<dangelovich[at]hotmail.com> wrote:


>> >>
>> >> My PC is a laptop and has USB 1.1, and FireWire..... Problem is the
>FireWire
>> >> plug is a 4 pin......
>> >
>> >Get a PCMCIA card with a 6-pin then.
>> >
>> >> How does the iPod work around this?
>> >
>> >It doesn't. You do.
>> >
>> >> Does the supplied dock connect through a
>> >> 6-6pin cable or a 6-4pin?
>> >
>> >6-pin, IIRC. It's necessary for the iPod to be able to draw power
>> >(recharge).
>> >
>> >Clearly, this is very confusing for you. I'd suggest you sell your PC
>> >laptop and buy a Mac laptop instead. They're better.
>>
>> Incorrect... the newer 3rd generation iPods include a 6-pin to 4-pin
>> Firewire adapter in the box. Moreover, the same package includes both
>> Mac and Windows software.
>>
>> While it's nice to be able to recharge from the PC, it also includes a
>> power adapter that looks like the iBook/Powerbooks, but has a
>> firewire-like jack for the iPod's cable.
>
>
>This is exactly why I was asking... They include the adapter......!
>Does the dock have separate power supply and data? Or does it get it's power
>from FireWire too? What about USB2?
>
Yes... they include the adapter. I don't have one handy (I had the
loan of one last Spring) so I'm a bit fuzzy on the Dock, but I believe
that it can be connected to the power adapter.

Apple mentioned a USB 2 connector-- but it's NOT included in the basic
package-- it needs to be ordered separately, for US$20-30.

(While the older iPods had a standard Firewire plug built-in, the
newer models have a proprietary connector... this lets Apple include a
cable with the iPod connector on one end, and Firewire on the other,
and also makes it possible to sell a cable with the iPod connector on
one end and USB on the other).

Look for a retailer who will let you see exactly what's in the package
prior to buying.

"David Angelovich" <dangelovich[at]hotmail.com> writes:
>
> I have a PC and I'm thinking about getting one of the shiny new 20GB
> or 40GB iPods.....
>
> I do have some minor concerns though.....
>
> My PC is a laptop and has USB 1.1, and FireWire..... Problem is the
> FireWire plug is a 4 pin......
> How does the iPod work around this? Does the supplied dock connect
> through a 6-6pin cable or a 6-4pin? If the dock itself takes a 4
> pin, can I just plug a 4-4pin cable into it?
> Anything else I should know about for this situation?

http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html

Assuming you get one of the newer models (the ones that include the
dock), you will have both USB and FireWire support in the iPod.

If you choose to use USB, you'll need to buy a separate cable (that
Apple will sell you) to connect it and provide power for charging the
batteries. The iPod is USB 2.0, which means adding a USB 2.0 card
will greatly increase your transfer speeds.

If you choose to use FireWire, you can use a 4-6-pin adapter. One is
included. You will need to use the (supplied) AC adaptor to charge
its batteries if your computer has a 4-pin port (the remaining two
pins provide power for charging the batteries.)

Have fun, and don't let the trolls get you mad.

-- David

"David C." <shamino[at]techie.com> wrote in message
news:m2iso0dxl1.fsf[at]qqqq.invalid...
> "David Angelovich" <dangelovich[at]hotmail.com> writes:
> >
> > I have a PC and I'm thinking about getting one of the shiny new 20GB
> > or 40GB iPods.....
> >
> > I do have some minor concerns though.....
> >
> > My PC is a laptop and has USB 1.1, and FireWire..... Problem is the
> > FireWire plug is a 4 pin......
> > How does the iPod work around this? Does the supplied dock connect
> > through a 6-6pin cable or a 6-4pin? If the dock itself takes a 4
> > pin, can I just plug a 4-4pin cable into it?
> > Anything else I should know about for this situation?
>
> http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html
>
> Assuming you get one of the newer models (the ones that include the
> dock), you will have both USB and FireWire support in the iPod.
>
> If you choose to use USB, you'll need to buy a separate cable (that
> Apple will sell you) to connect it and provide power for charging the
> batteries. The iPod is USB 2.0, which means adding a USB 2.0 card
> will greatly increase your transfer speeds.
>
> If you choose to use FireWire, you can use a 4-6-pin adapter. One is
> included. You will need to use the (supplied) AC adaptor to charge
> its batteries if your computer has a 4-pin port (the remaining two
> pins provide power for charging the batteries.)
>
> Have fun, and don't let the trolls get you mad.
>
> -- David


I don't mind the "trolls".... They're right - I should ditch the PC and get a
mac.... I'd love to.... I can even afford to.....
It would just cause a whole bundle of compatibility problems for me and my
network and my programming..... And set back my savings account about 3
months..... (I'm just a lowly student)

Just to verify, even if I do use the dock, I cannot recharge AND transfer data
at the same time unless I have 6pin firewire...?
My intention is to use the dock all the time.... for charging and
transfering....

Maybe I should try one out on the laptop before I buy one.....

- David Angelovich

"David Angelovich" <dangelovich[at]hotmail.com> writes:
>
> I don't mind the "trolls".... They're right - I should ditch the PC
> and get a mac.... I'd love to.... I can even afford to.....
> It would just cause a whole bundle of compatibility problems for me
> and my network and my programming..... And set back my savings
> account about 3 months..... (I'm just a lowly student)

Money's a perfectly acceptable reason for me.

As for network - you may be surprised. OS X seems to be able to
interoperate with just about everything out there.

Programming? Depends on what you're coding for. Obviously, it
wouldn't be the best choice for developing Windows apps. But if your
code is more portable, OS X includes a pretty robust development
environment for UNIX in addition to the tools for making Mac apps.
I've found that the gcc/gdb in MacOS behaves the same as they do on
Linux and Solaris boxes. (I did download and compile my own Emacs,
however, since the one Apple provides doesn't have any graphical
support.)

> Just to verify, even if I do use the dock, I cannot recharge AND
> transfer data at the same time unless I have 6pin firewire...?

I'm not sure about this. I think you can plug the AC adaptor into the
dock, but I'd ask someone who actually owns one first.

If you connect the iPod directly to FireWire using the 4-6 adaptor,
then it won't charge (unless the adaptor has a place to plug in the
AC adaptor. Again, I don't know.)

If there's an Apple Store near you, I suspect you could answer a lot
of these questions just by looking at the display model and maybe
asking a few questions of the staff.

-- David

In article <3f5e5f65$0$15134$afc38c87[at]news.optusnet.com.au>,
"David Angelovich" <dangelovich[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'd buy one if I could...... Will you buy me a mac???
> :D

That's the spirit! :)

You could probably con somebody into paying your for your old laptop ...
:)
--
Cheers,
_Chas_
http://www.apple.com/switch
non-spammers can write to chasm at mac (dot com)