Things I could do with my Mac if I were living in the US...

1. Legally buy and use an iTrip (does anyone know where I can one illegally
by the way - sheesh, sounds like I'm trying to buy drugs or something!!
Gotta love British dogmatism for sticking to the rule of law no matter how
ridiculous!)

2. Buy music from the iTunes music store

3. Buy bound Photo albums from iPhoto.

4. Make use of Apple Stores (I suppose PC World is our equivalent! <choke>)

5. Be able to order from the Apple website and have it deliver to a separate
address!

IMHO I think Apple should forget the rest of Europe and just concentrate on
the UK in terms of iTunes Music and Apple Stores. Does anyone know the
breakdown of Apple users outside the US by country?

UNIX Head <not[at]all.valid> wrote:

> IMHO I think Apple should forget the rest of Europe and just concentrate on
> the UK in terms of iTunes Music and Apple Stores.

Oh yeah, that would be a eally sensible thing to do.

Daniele
--
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Market Road www.apple-juice.co.uk
Cardiff CF5 1QE 029 2019 0140

UNIX Head <not[at]all.valid> wrote:

> Things I could do with my Mac if I were living in the US...

Not only owning a Mac does this.
I'm aware of increasing numbers of ordinary people finding emmigration
to almost anywhere, including the US, is preferable to staying in the
UK.
Including my own kids.

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r[at]y <datasmog[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

> UNIX Head <not[at]all.valid> wrote:
>
> > Things I could do with my Mac if I were living in the US...
>
> Not only owning a Mac does this.
> I'm aware of increasing numbers of ordinary people finding emmigration
> to almost anywhere, including the US, is preferable to staying in the
> UK.
> Including my own kids.

"Emigration". I knew it was wrong when I sent it <bugger>
How can I get a spell checker to work in Mac Soup?

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UNIX Head wrote:

> Things I could do with my Mac if I were living in the US...
>
> 1. Legally buy and use an iTrip (does anyone know where I can one illegally
> by the way - sheesh, sounds like I'm trying to buy drugs or something!!
> Gotta love British dogmatism for sticking to the rule of law no matter how
> ridiculous!)

EBay, I have one. Not exactly difficult to get hold of. International
law didn't stop the UK invading Iraq. I guess it's only the trivial laws
that get enforced.

>
> 2. Buy music from the iTunes music store

10 songs at $0.99 each is $9.99. Most albums on CD are available from
Play 247 for less than £9.99. Why bother?

>
> 3. Buy bound Photo albums from iPhoto.
>
Service is set to launch in Europe next month IIRC

> 4. Make use of Apple Stores (I suppose PC World is our equivalent! <choke>)
>

Cancom, Jigsaw, Mac Warehouse etc.

> 5. Be able to order from the Apple website and have it deliver to a separate
> address!

Hmm I want any puchase I make on my credit card online to be delivered
to the registered credit card address.

>
> IMHO I think Apple should forget the rest of Europe and just concentrate on
> the UK in terms of iTunes Music and Apple Stores.

Why? The Apple users and enthusiasts of Europe have as much right to the
services as you.

> Does anyone know the
> breakdown of Apple users outside the US by country?

France has a very strong OS X enthusiast community. Practically every
bit of really useful shareware I own has originated in France.

BTW: If you emigrate to the US you will still be a foreigner and thus
subject to the hilariously titles US PATRIOT Act which, among other
things, allows you to be detained under suspicion of activities likely
to endanger the American way of life *purely on the basis that you are
not a US citizen*. It makes great reading that Act, and is one reason I
have no intention setting foot on American soil again for some time.


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"'Cause when a man holds a thing well made,
There's connection,
There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

In article <bng7vg$vv5hi$1[at]ID-101424.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

>> 2. Buy music from the iTunes music store
>
>10 songs at $0.99 each is $9.99. Most albums on CD are available from
>Play 247 for less than £9.99. Why bother?

Yes but on most albums you only want two or three out of the set, so you
pay three dollars instead of 10.

--
Peter

Peter Ceresole wrote:

> In article <bng7vg$vv5hi$1[at]ID-101424.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>2. Buy music from the iTunes music store
>>
>>10 songs at $0.99 each is $9.99. Most albums on CD are available from
>>Play 247 for less than £9.99. Why bother?
>
>
> Yes but on most albums you only want two or three out of the set, so you
> pay three dollars instead of 10.
>

ah that's the difference between us. Personally I almost never want just
one song. I prefer to listen to albums in their entirety. It's academic
to me anyway as the ITMS has virtually nothing I would want.

--
Patrick

Ireann go Brach
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"'Cause when a man holds a thing well made,
There's connection,
There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

In article
<1g3fp0r.kwlk0udaf5xN%real-not-anti-spam-address[at]apple-juice.co.uk>,
real-not-anti-spam-address[at]apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) wrote:

>Oh yeah, that would be a eally sensible thing to do.

I'm sure you meant 'rilly' there.

--
Peter

On 26/10/03 11:34 am, in article
bng7vg$vv5hi$1[at]ID-101424.news.uni-berlin.de, "Patrick Navin"
<metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> UNIX Head wrote:
>
>> Things I could do with my Mac if I were living in the US...
>>
>> 1. Legally buy and use an iTrip (does anyone know where I can one illegally
>> by the way - sheesh, sounds like I'm trying to buy drugs or something!!
>> Gotta love British dogmatism for sticking to the rule of law no matter how
>> ridiculous!)
>
> EBay, I have one. Not exactly difficult to get hold of. International
> law didn't stop the UK invading Iraq. I guess it's only the trivial laws
> that get enforced.

You can buy mine, more or less unused, for the US price (I hardly drive
anywhere, since in France there is a functioning public transport system).
I'll eat the p&p and import duties. Mail me if you're interested.


Cordially,

J.

jeremyunderscorehendersonhotmail

> > 4. Make use of Apple Stores (I suppose PC World is our equivalent! <choke>)
> >
>
> Cancom, Jigsaw, Mac Warehouse etc.
>
Only you can't walk round Jigaw and play with anything before you buy :(
--
Jon
jon.bradbury[at]btinternet.com

Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

>
> BTW: If you emigrate to the US you will still be a foreigner and thus
> subject to the hilariously titles US PATRIOT Act which, among other
> things, allows you to be detained under suspicion of activities likely
> to endanger the American way of life *purely on the basis that you are
> not a US citizen*. It makes great reading that Act, and is one reason I
> have no intention setting foot on American soil again for some time.

Not to mention that legal aliens pay more tax than citizens. Of course
you can go illegal but the sorts of jobs available won't make it
worthwhile. Oh and visas are taking an awful long time at the moment and
can lead to great confusion depending on which official you talk to. As
best we are aware our latesst colleague to go stateside did make it to
his workplace but when he left he wasn't 100% sure he had all the right
documentation. Being born in Iran only added some spice to the possible
outcomes.

Peter

Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> UNIX Head wrote:
> > 5. Be able to order from the Apple website and have it deliver to a separate
> > address!
>
> Hmm I want any puchase I make on my credit card online to be delivered
> to the registered credit card address.

Well, there are lots of addresses that I want stuff delivered to...for
birthday presents, Xmas, etc.

> BTW: If you emigrate to the US you will still be a foreigner and thus
> subject to the hilariously titles US PATRIOT Act which, among other
> things, allows you to be detained under suspicion of activities likely
> to endanger the American way of life *purely on the basis that you are
> not a US citizen*. It makes great reading that Act, and is one reason I
> have no intention setting foot on American soil again for some time.

All US citizens are suject to that stupid law. Such a joke. Another
reason to support the EFF. You heard what John Gilmore did, yes?
--
'Tis Herself

Herself wrote:

>
>>BTW: If you emigrate to the US you will still be a foreigner and thus
>>subject to the hilariously titles US PATRIOT Act which, among other
>>things, allows you to be detained under suspicion of activities likely
>>to endanger the American way of life *purely on the basis that you are
>>not a US citizen*. It makes great reading that Act, and is one reason I
>>have no intention setting foot on American soil again for some time.
>
>
> All US citizens are suject to that stupid law. Such a joke. Another
> reason to support the EFF. You heard what John Gilmore did, yes?

Indeed but the PATRIOT Act allows for non US nationals to be detained
indefinitely without even probable cause. It clearly uses, as it's
criteria for the indefinite detention, the non-US status of the person
in question.

As to John Gilmore I know of him but specifically not sure what you mean
- he gets up to a lot, when he's permitted!

--
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"'Cause when a man holds a thing well made,
There's connection,
There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

Herself <sick[at]spam.mers> wrote:

> You heard what John Gilmore did, yes?

Got kicked off a plane for wearing a badge saying "Suspected Terrorist"?

--
Pd

PeterD <pd.news[at]dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote:

> Herself <sick[at]spam.mers> wrote:
>
> > You heard what John Gilmore did, yes?
>
> Got kicked off a plane for wearing a badge saying "Suspected Terrorist"?

Then filed suit against Ashcroft (the attorney general) for restricing
his right to travel in the US.

The best part? A flight attendant told Gilmore's girlfriend (they were
sitting separately) that she thought the security checkers had given
that to John to wear, so the flight crew could keep an eye on him!!!
--
'Tis Herself

Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> Indeed but the PATRIOT Act allows for non US nationals to be detained
> indefinitely without even probable cause. It clearly uses, as it's
> criteria for the indefinite detention, the non-US status of the person
> in question.

True, but they also hold American citizens the same way (read about the
early days of Kevin Mitnick after he was arrested but not charged...yes,
that was before the Crap Act).

> As to John Gilmore I know of him but specifically not sure what you mean
> - he gets up to a lot, when he's permitted!

See other follow up.
--
'Tis Herself

UNIX Head <not[at]all.valid> wrote:

> 1. Legally buy and use an iTrip (does anyone know where I can one illegally
> by the way - sheesh, sounds like I'm trying to buy drugs or something!!
> Gotta love British dogmatism for sticking to the rule of law no matter how
> ridiculous!)

<http://www.Altatechnology.co.uk>

I got that link from the reviews page of ipodlounge...

<http://www.ipodlounge.com>

....which has some reviews by UK users of iTrip.

Ironically one of the reasons the iTrip seems to work well here is the
very fact that our airwaves are so sensibly regulated.

Danny

Peter Ceresole wrote:
> In article <bng7vg$vv5hi$1[at]ID-101424.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>2. Buy music from the iTunes music store
>>
>>10 songs at $0.99 each is $9.99. Most albums on CD are available from
>>Play 247 for less than £9.99. Why bother?
>
>
> Yes but on most albums you only want two or three out of the set, so you
> pay three dollars instead of 10.
>

I see it dropping to between 50 and 75 cents [or pence if you are
unfortunate enough to live in the UK] over the next few years.

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

Patrick Navin wrote:
>
> ah that's the difference between us. Personally I almost never want just
> one song. I prefer to listen to albums in their entirety. It's academic
> to me anyway as the ITMS has virtually nothing I would want.
>

That is very hard to believe. The choice there is getting better every week.

Although I have to say I couldn't find Herbie Hancocks' 'HeadHunters'
album on there.......

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

Peter Ceresole wrote:
> In article
> <1g3fp0r.kwlk0udaf5xN%real-not-anti-spam-address[at]apple-juice.co.uk>,
> real-not-anti-spam-address[at]apple-juice.co.uk (D.M. Procida) wrote:
>
>
>>Oh yeah, that would be a eally sensible thing to do.
>
>
> I'm sure you meant 'rilly' there.
>

Nah. It's a full moon, he meant eely.....

--
David Kennedy

http://www.anindianinexile.com

r[at]y <datasmog[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

> How can I get a spell checker to work in Mac Soup?

C & G Spell Catcher X

HTH
Tom
--
My ol' grandaddy taught me to always;
post in plain text,
quote only that portion to which you are replying,
post replies at the bottom.

Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> > 5. Be able to order from the Apple website and have it deliver to a separate
> > address!
>
> Hmm I want any puchase I make on my credit card online to be delivered
> to the registered credit card address.

I prefer to have them delivered to work.

1. I am usually there (work) during delivery times.
2. If I am not at home, someone will get it on my behalf.
3. If I am at home, I don't have to get out of bed.

JMTPW

David Kennedy <davidkennedy[at]no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:

> Patrick Navin wrote:
> >
> > ah that's the difference between us. Personally I almost never want just
> > one song. I prefer to listen to albums in their entirety. It's academic
> > to me anyway as the ITMS has virtually nothing I would want.
> >
>
> That is very hard to believe. The choice there is getting better every week.

*picks up iPod*

*starts iTMS*

:Zoviet*France: - nope
Amorphous Androgynous - nope
Aphex Twin - nope
Autechre - nope
Biosphere - nope
Bjork - yep
Black Dog - nope
Boards of Canada - nope
Bola - nope
Brian Eno - nope
Broadcast - nope
Christmas Baubles - nope
Coil - nope
*scroll, scroll*
Four Tet - nope
Funkstorung - nope
Future Sound of London - nope
Gescom - nope
Global Communication - yes! *floored*
Higher Intelligence Agency - nope

*gets bored*


Oh well. Maybe one day ITMS will be for me.

-z-


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Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> > Yes but on most albums you only want two or three out of the set, so you
> > pay three dollars instead of 10.
> >
>
> ah that's the difference between us. Personally I almost never want just
> one song. I prefer to listen to albums in their entirety. It's academic
> to me anyway as the ITMS has virtually nothing I would want.

Ditto.

-z-

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> Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>> ah that's the difference between us. Personally I almost never want just
>> one song. I prefer to listen to albums in their entirety. It's academic
>> to me anyway as the ITMS has virtually nothing I would want.

It has something I want: the audible books. They work really well with the
iPod apparently, and I want to try them out just to see. But iTMS won't even
let me buy them, although you can buy them direct from Audible.com (and then
don't get the full iTunes sync effect).

Are there actually national licence boundaries on the spoken word trade? The
fact that Audible sells to the UK may just be an oversight I guess, but it
could be an expensive one for them. If it isn't, Apple should at least give
us this tiny little outcrop of the iTMS while we wait.

A

PS Zoara: tasteful. Reading your list gave me the same feeling I used to get
reading the NME, when I'd resolve to learn about all of these exotic people
- regardless of their quality. Most of yours I know, but Christmas Baubles?
Who they?

Allan Donald wrote:
>> Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>>> ah that's the difference between us. Personally I almost never want
>>> just one song. I prefer to listen to albums in their entirety. It's
>>> academic to me anyway as the ITMS has virtually nothing I would
>>> want.
>
> It has something I want: the audible books. They work really well
> with the iPod apparently, and I want to try them out just to see. But
> iTMS won't even let me buy them, although you can buy them direct
> from Audible.com (and then don't get the full iTunes sync effect).
>
> Are there actually national licence boundaries on the spoken word
> trade? The fact that Audible sells to the UK may just be an oversight
> I guess, but it could be an expensive one for them. If it isn't,
> Apple should at least give us this tiny little outcrop of the iTMS
> while we wait.

I think it is probably more hassle than it is worth to them, to allow some
parts of iTMS to be used internationally while keeping some private. They
should just hurry up and get the european/antipodean/wherever else markets
sorted while they are still there.
--

Woody
Alienrat Design Ltd
www.alienrat.com

zoara wrote:

> David Kennedy <davidkennedy[at]no.spam.today.thanks.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>Patrick Navin wrote:
>>
>>>ah that's the difference between us. Personally I almost never want just
>>>one song. I prefer to listen to albums in their entirety. It's academic
>>>to me anyway as the ITMS has virtually nothing I would want.
>>>
>>
>>That is very hard to believe. The choice there is getting better every week.
>
>
> *picks up iPod*
>
> *starts iTMS*

*does same*

on random my iPod played:

Hazeldine - nope
Neutral Milk Hotel - nope
Ed Harcourt - nope
Sparklehorse - yes! but I have them already
Pernice Brothers - nope
Scud Mountain Boys - nope (weird how it always sticks Joe Pernice's
bands together like that)
Matthew Sweet - yes! one early album that no-one likes
Mark Lanegan - nope
The Walkabouts - nope
Lowgold - nope
Ben - nope
Deeptone - nope
Vidalias - nope
Raindeer Section - nope
Teenage Fanclub - yes!
Buffalo tom - yes!
Son Volt - yes
Golden smog - nope

then I had to go out. All the "yes"s I already own. I like the idea but
I'll never stop my monthly cd spree!



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Ireann go Brach
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"'Cause when a man holds a thing well made,
There's connection,
There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> Oh well. Maybe one day ITMS will be for me.

Doubt it mate. Not if that's your taste in music.
<cue vicious flame war based on appalling musical preference>

> Autechre - nope

> Boards of Canada - nope

> *gets bored*

I'm not surprised. I bought a couple of these based on the foamy-mouthed
raves of "some people on the internet", and promptly sold them again.

Funny thing is, I've since heard the same Autechre album as background
music at someone's place, and said to them
"Great music mate, what is it?"

Perhaps it just took a while for the familiarity to sink in.
An acquired taste maybe.

--
Pd

PeterD wrote:

> zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Oh well. Maybe one day ITMS will be for me.
>
>
> Doubt it mate. Not if that's your taste in music.
> <cue vicious flame war based on appalling musical preference>
>
>>Autechre - nope
>
>
>>Boards of Canada - nope
>
>
>>*gets bored*
>
>
> I'm not surprised. I bought a couple of these based on the foamy-mouthed
> raves of "some people on the internet", and promptly sold them again.
>
> Funny thing is, I've since heard the same Autechre album as background
> music at someone's place, and said to them
> "Great music mate, what is it?"
>
> Perhaps it just took a while for the familiarity to sink in.
> An acquired taste maybe.
>

you're supposed to listen to it in a darkened.... oh hell you know



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Ireann go Brach
Boru Blog:http://www.patrick.navin.btinternet.co.uk/B834763868/index.html
"'Cause when a man holds a thing well made,
There's connection,
There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:
> zoara wrote:
>
> > *picks up iPod*
> >
> > *starts iTMS*
>
> *does same*
>
> on random my iPod played:

[snip]

Well, mine played:

Octal Dump - nope
The Cwmbayardies - nope
Nut Tag - nope
Best Boy & The Gaffers - nope
Skagsta - nope
The Procurators Physcal - nope
Zionizer - nope
Code Leptronic - nope
Monkey's Nail - nope

<stops for supper>

They have a long way to go, IMO.

Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> >>Autechre - nope
>
> you're supposed to listen to it in a darkened.... oh hell you know

It would probably be very good in a darkened factory.
With noodles.

--
Pd

[snip everybody else's obscure stuff]

I don't have an iPod, but if I did it would play:
(You will note quite how eclectic I am)

Abba
Beatles
Des O'Connor
Westlife
Rolf Harris
Phil Collins
Elton John
James Last
Barbra Streisand
Sparklehorse
John Barry
Barriemore Barlow
Barry Manilow
Barry White
Barry Gray
Barry Gibb
Barrimore
Barry Be, By Love, Whed I'b got rid of dis cold.
Bury me under the old oak tree.

And what's more, I think the iTMS will cater to my needs quite nicely.

--
Pd

PeterD wrote:

> Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Autechre - nope
>>
>>you're supposed to listen to it in a darkened.... oh hell you know
>
>
> It would probably be very good in a darkened factory.
> With noodles.
>

most things are good with noodles. I'm currently avoiding noodles as
I'll be in Beijing next week and will doubtless get a noodle frenzy.

--
Patrick

Ireann go Brach
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"'Cause when a man holds a thing well made,
There's connection,
There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

PeterD wrote:

> [snip everybody else's obscure stuff]
>
> I don't have an iPod, but if I did it would play:
> (You will note quite how eclectic I am)
>
> Abba
> Beatles
> Des O'Connor
> Westlife
> Rolf Harris
> Phil Collins
> Elton John
> James Last
> Barbra Streisand
> Sparklehorse
> John Barry
> Barriemore Barlow
> Barry Manilow
> Barry White
> Barry Gray
> Barry Gibb
> Barrimore
> Barry Be, By Love, Whed I'b got rid of dis cold.
> Bury me under the old oak tree.
>
> And what's more, I think the iTMS will cater to my needs quite nicely.
>

no Flink Poyd? I hear their latest "music for a darkened sushi bar" is
all the rage at Grantham Technical college.

--
Patrick

Ireann go Brach
Boru Blog:http://www.patrick.navin.btinternet.co.uk/B834763868/index.html
"'Cause when a man holds a thing well made,
There's connection,
There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

PeterD <pd.news[at]dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote:

> [snip everybody else's obscure stuff]
^^^^^^^
???!

> I don't have an iPod, but if I did it would play:
> (You will note quite how eclectic I am)

[PeterD's list]

What about ELO, Supertramp and the Morissey-Mullen Band?

Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> no Flink Poyd? I hear their latest "music for a darkened sushi bar" is
> all the rage at Grantham Technical college.

What!??!?! Those bores? You some kind of pre-Cambrian tape jockey?

--
Pd

Bella Jones <bellajonez[at]yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> PeterD <pd.news[at]dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote:
>
> > [snip everybody else's obscure stuff]
> ^^^^^^^
> ???!

Obscure - did I spell that wrong?

> > I don't have an iPod, but if I did it would play:
> > (You will note quite how eclectic I am)
>
> [PeterD's list]
>
> What about ELO, Supertramp and the Morissey-Mullen Band?

Akshully, I like Supertramp.

ELO and Morissey are too heavy metal for me.

--
Pd

PeterD wrote:

>
> Akshully, I like Supertramp.
>
> ELO and Morissey are too heavy metal for me.
>

oooh ELO inhabit a strange limbo dimension between cool and naff. As for
Morissey, I went off him when it turned out he was a thieving, lying
toerag and not the whiter than white proletarian freedom fighter I had
naively and teenagedly believed him to be.

--
Patrick

Ireann go Brach
Boru Blog:http://www.patrick.navin.btinternet.co.uk/B834763868/index.html
"'Cause when a man holds a thing well made,
There's connection,
There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

In article <1g3jzj0.ebxe6ul23d0lN%pd.news[at]dsl.pipex.invalid>,
pd.news[at]dsl.pipex.invalid (PeterD) wrote:

>I don't have an iPod, but if I did it would play:
>(You will note quite how eclectic I am)

<stuff>

Well, Rolf Harris is okay.

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Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> PeterD wrote:
>
> >
> > Akshully, I like Supertramp.
> >
> > ELO and Morissey are too heavy metal for me.
> >
>
> oooh ELO inhabit a strange limbo dimension between cool and naff.

Agreed.

>As for
>Morissey, I went off him when it turned out he was a thieving, lying
> toerag and not the whiter than white proletarian freedom fighter I had
> naively and teenagedly believed him to be.

Ahem.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/music/2003/09/morrissey_mullen.shtml

Allan Donald <darkaddress[at]mac.com> wrote:

> > Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:
> >> ah that's the difference between us. Personally I almost never want just
> >> one song. I prefer to listen to albums in their entirety. It's academic
> >> to me anyway as the ITMS has virtually nothing I would want.
>
> It has something I want: the audible books.

Ah yes, there is that. :)

> PS Zoara: tasteful. Reading your list gave me the same feeling I used to get
> reading the NME, when I'd resolve to learn about all of these exotic people
> - regardless of their quality.

Heh. Yes, there is some dross in my collection, but most of it is very
good (IMHO, of course). That list was a mixture of "well, they're
obscure, but not *that* obscure, surely they'll be in iTMS?" and "These
are great, I wish they *were* in iTMS".

> Most of yours I know, but Christmas Baubles? Who they?

God knows. Random pickup in Spiller's Records in Cardiff. Pretty good
stuff though, like an upbeat Mira Calix. Or - at a stretch - a less
crunchy recent Aphex Twin.

-z-

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Bella Jones wrote:

> Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>PeterD wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Akshully, I like Supertramp.
>>>
>>>ELO and Morissey are too heavy metal for me.
>>>
>>
>>oooh ELO inhabit a strange limbo dimension between cool and naff.
>
>
> Agreed.
>
>
>>As for
>>Morissey, I went off him when it turned out he was a thieving, lying
>>toerag and not the whiter than white proletarian freedom fighter I had
>>naively and teenagedly believed him to be.
>
>
> Ahem.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/music/2003/09/morrissey_mullen.shtml

I'm starting to see the need for smilies again :(

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On 28/10/03 13:53, in article BBC4255C.18F8%darkaddress[at]mac.com, "Allan
Donald" <darkaddress[at]mac.com> wrote:

Earlier: "Oh, wait a minute. What do those headers say?"

Curses. So someone didn't set up Entourage correctly after the Panther
install, did they?

Great.

I was pageNinja, and today I slipped on the tiles, let the shirukens drop on
a stone floor, broke the staff, and looking down I see I washed with too
much Persil and have let the suit go light grey. But that's not a bad thing
really. Hello future employers, journos, snoops and spies of foreign
powers[1].

But I put my plain e-mail out as well. Currrrrrrses. Hello spammers.

I am so proud of my mac.com e-mail too. A combination of being careful and
using sneakemail.com religiously means that I *never* receive junk mail in
there. Not anymore, I guess. That's twice in a week my pride's led to a fall
(see the disk-wiping buffoonery post I made). Hmm, I wonder how often the
bots visit u.c.s.m.

Hello everyone.

Allan

[1] Hey - who knows what a person can become? Politician, diplomat,
potential Apple employee ... All things where you don't want possible
drunken usenet witterings popping up to haunt you. But I also like to use
google groups, so don't much like the thought of x-no-archive.



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On 29/10/03 2:02, in article BBC4D044.19B0%1r9jxjpr9usr1i02[at]sneakemail.com,
"Allan Donald" <1r9jxjpr9usr1i02[at]sneakemail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone.

Hello. I'm still in awe of that bowing performance you gave against Mike
Atherton. Was it at Lords? Frighteningly intense confrontation. You were
really bloody quick

Didn't know you used macs <grin>

> But I put my plain e-mail out as well. Currrrrrrses. Hello spammers.
>
> I am so proud of my mac.com e-mail too. A combination of being careful and
> using sneakemail.com religiously means that I *never* receive junk mail in
> there. Not anymore, I guess. That's twice in a week my pride's led to a fall
> (see the disk-wiping buffoonery post I made). Hmm, I wonder how often the
> bots visit u.c.s.m.
>
Not to often, the address above is a valid email address, most of its
usage is in this here froup and I don't even get spam everyday.
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Jon B <jon.bradburyusenetspam[at]btinternet.com> wrote:

> > But I put my plain e-mail out as well. Currrrrrrses. Hello spammers.
> >
> > I am so proud of my mac.com e-mail too. A combination of being careful and
> > using sneakemail.com religiously means that I *never* receive junk mail in
> > there. Not anymore, I guess. That's twice in a week my pride's led to a fall
> > (see the disk-wiping buffoonery post I made). Hmm, I wonder how often the
> > bots visit u.c.s.m.
> >
> Not to often, the address above is a valid email address, most of its
> usage is in this here froup and I don't even get spam everyday.

I've had about four or five items of spam to this email address, so
either someone with whom I have exchanged email has leaked the address
(seems unlikely) or some spammer had taken the trouble to demunge the
address. Of course, the munging is not very tricky, so a bot could
conceivably have replaced the obvious.

You certainly know when your address makes it onto one of those
"5 billion fresh clean no-duplicates email addresses for you to keep"
CDs, because your spam will suddenly jump from 2 or 3 a day to several
hundred.

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PeterD <pd.news[at]dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote:

> zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Oh well. Maybe one day ITMS will be for me.
>
> Doubt it mate. Not if that's your taste in music.
> <cue vicious flame war based on appalling musical preference>

I really can't be bothered. My music taste gets criticised so often
(more so by people who daren't venture outside the charts, interestingly
enough) that I've just given up arguing back. Music taste is so
subjective it's not worth arguing about.

Oooh, I got all serious there, didn't I?

> > Autechre - nope
>
> > Boards of Canada - nope
>
> > *gets bored*
>
> I'm not surprised. I bought a couple of these based on the foamy-mouthed
> raves of "some people on the internet", and promptly sold them again.

Rilly?

BoC does nothing special for me. Alright, I guess, but nothing special.

Autechre? Well, you have to specify the album; they change style quite a
bit. I used to be a little foamy-mouthed over them, but they've gone a
little generic recently. Nice chaps though.

> Funny thing is, I've since heard the same Autechre album as background
> music at someone's place, and said to them
> "Great music mate, what is it?"

Heh.

> Perhaps it just took a while for the familiarity to sink in.
> An acquired taste maybe.

Most (earlier) Autechre albums needed that. I remember one album -
Chiastic Slide - took me a couple of months of on-and-off rotation
before I finally got it. It's now a favourite album.

-z-

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In article <1g3l9v5.kykuq31f8rm1yN%pd.news[at]dsl.pipex.invalid>,
pd.news[at]dsl.pipex.invalid (PeterD) wrote:

>
> You certainly know when your address makes it onto one of those
> "5 billion fresh clean no-duplicates email addresses for you to keep"
> CDs, because your spam will suddenly jump from 2 or 3 a day to several
> hundred.

My employer has recently set up a filter so now my spam comes preceded
by [Spam ?] in the subject line so is damn easy to filter straight to
trash. I am testing it at the moment and so far no false positives but
the server filter still lets some stuff past. No I am NOT going to send
money to Holland to enable me to collect winnings from a lottery I never
entered.

Peter

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School of Life Sciences, University of Dundee, Scotland
To assume that I speak for the University of Dundee is to be deluded.
Reverse the Spam and remove to email me.

zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:

snipped music stuff above
>
> I really can't be bothered. My music taste gets criticised so often
> (more so by people who daren't venture outside the charts, interestingly
> enough) that I've just given up arguing back. Music taste is so
> subjective it's not worth arguing about.
>
> Oooh, I got all serious there, didn't I?
>
yes i would agree music is most defintly subjective, as are films etc. i
love tremors even though its rather crap in many ways.. buts its silly
and daft.

snipped music stuff below
>
> -z-


roger

PeterD <pd.news[at]dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote:

snipped spam stuff
>
> I've had about four or five items of spam to this email address, so
> either someone with whom I have exchanged email has leaked the address
> (seems unlikely) or some spammer had taken the trouble to demunge the
> address. Of course, the munging is not very tricky, so a bot could
> conceivably have replaced the obvious.
>
> You certainly know when your address makes it onto one of those
> "5 billion fresh clean no-duplicates email addresses for you to keep"
> CDs, because your spam will suddenly jump from 2 or 3 a day to several
> hundred.

well i used above e mail addy for a while now it ihas never had any spam
on it so far, so id say this newsgroup isn't a hot spot for spamers.

roger

Roger Merriman wrote:

> zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
> snipped music stuff above
>
>>I really can't be bothered. My music taste gets criticised so often
>>(more so by people who daren't venture outside the charts, interestingly
>>enough) that I've just given up arguing back. Music taste is so
>>subjective it's not worth arguing about.
>>
>>Oooh, I got all serious there, didn't I?
>>
>
> yes i would agree music is most defintly subjective, as are films etc. i
> love tremors even though its rather crap in many ways.. buts its silly
> and daft.

Nooo Tremors is great, ludicrous and silly can still be great.

Look out Graboids!


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"'Cause when a man holds a thing well made,
There's connection,
There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

Roger Merriman <wodgernews[at]fastmail.com> wrote:

> zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
> snipped music stuff above
> >
> > I really can't be bothered. My music taste gets criticised so often
> > (more so by people who daren't venture outside the charts, interestingly
> > enough) that I've just given up arguing back. Music taste is so
> > subjective it's not worth arguing about.
> >
> > Oooh, I got all serious there, didn't I?
> >
> yes i would agree music is most defintly subjective, as are films etc. i
> love tremors even though its rather crap in many ways.. buts its silly
> and daft.

Oh, me too.

Bad films are often good....

-z-


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zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> Biosphere - nope

Wow - Biosphere get a mention on ucsm and a Channel4 trailer - in the
same week!

Stuart
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SM <info[at]that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:

> zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Biosphere - nope
>
> Wow - Biosphere get a mention on ucsm and a Channel4 trailer - in the
> same week!

What Channel 4 trailer?

-z-


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zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> SM <info[at]that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Biosphere - nope
> >
> > Wow - Biosphere get a mention on ucsm and a Channel4 trailer - in the
> > same week!
>
> What Channel 4 trailer?

biosphere? i didn't know they were still going...

Bella Jones wrote:

> zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>SM <info[at]that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Biosphere - nope
>>>
>>>Wow - Biosphere get a mention on ucsm and a Channel4 trailer - in the
>>>same week!
>>
>>What Channel 4 trailer?
>
>
> biosphere? i didn't know they were still going...

I'm sure you meant Biohazard [1] - they're much more up your street I
reckon Bella ;) along with Napalm Death


[1] Disclaimer: I've no idea what you actually meant but this is just
cheap humour for my own edification


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"'Cause when a man holds a thing well made,
There's connection,
There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> Bella Jones wrote:
>
> > zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>SM <info[at]that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Biosphere - nope
> >>>
> >>>Wow - Biosphere get a mention on ucsm and a Channel4 trailer - in the
> >>>same week!
> >>
> >>What Channel 4 trailer?
> >
> >
> > biosphere? i didn't know they were still going...
>
> I'm sure you meant Biohazard [1] - they're much more up your street I
> reckon Bella ;) along with Napalm Death

Naw. Octal Dump's the Real Thing.

> [1] Disclaimer: I've no idea what you actually meant but this is just
> cheap humour for my own edification

Biosphere did that ad in the mid 90s for levis.

Bella Jones wrote:


>
> Biosphere did that ad in the mid 90s for levis.

oh that ad..... /Which/ ad? There were billions. (My personal favourite
is "The Creek" primarily due to the gorgeous black and white photography)


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There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

In article <bnua45$14m86p$1[at]ID-101424.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> Bella Jones wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Biosphere did that ad in the mid 90s for levis.
>
> oh that ad..... /Which/ ad? There were billions. (My personal favourite
> is "The Creek" primarily due to the gorgeous black and white photography)

Isn't that the one that spawned Stiltskin? (And all because the Smashing
Pumpkins wouldn't license their stuff...)

Richard Lanyon wrote:

> In article <bnua45$14m86p$1[at]ID-101424.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Bella Jones wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Biosphere did that ad in the mid 90s for levis.
>>
>>oh that ad..... /Which/ ad? There were billions. (My personal favourite
>>is "The Creek" primarily due to the gorgeous black and white photography)
>
>
> Isn't that the one that spawned Stiltskin? (And all because the Smashing
> Pumpkins wouldn't license their stuff...)

ahh Stiltskin - how awful were they?

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"'Cause when a man holds a thing well made,
There's connection,
There's completeness when a man holds a thing well made"

zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> SM <info[at]that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Biosphere - nope
> >
> > Wow - Biosphere get a mention on ucsm and a Channel4 trailer - in the
> > same week!
>
> What Channel 4 trailer?
>
> -z-

It's a trailer for horror film season (or something) - uses the "I had a
dream last night, We had the same dream" from Phantasm off Patashnic

Stuart
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Bella Jones <bellajonez[at]yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Biosphere did that ad in the mid 90s for levis.

Are you sure?

Stuart
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SM <info[at]that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:

> Bella Jones <bellajonez[at]yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Biosphere did that ad in the mid 90s for levis.
>
> Are you sure?
>
> Stuart

Sure you're sure - Novelty Waves from the same album as the one
currently being used on C4

Can't picture the ad though

Stuart
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Patrick Navin <metoo[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> Bella Jones wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Biosphere did that ad in the mid 90s for levis.
>
> oh that ad..... /Which/ ad? There were billions. (My personal favourite
> is "The Creek" primarily due to the gorgeous black and white photography)

This one was very dark coloured I think, maybe even totally black some
of the time. I cannot remember what the people, if any, were actually
doing though...

Well, it arrived this morning - my first u.c.s.m spam. If anyone else
got a message with the subject CONTRACT AWARD PAYMENT from a
musa_mohammed-at-tiscali.co.uk - they got your address from here.

(I know because it got sent to both my spam-free real address and the
sneakemail I use on this.)

Pants

SM <info[at]that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:

> zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > SM <info[at]that.sundog.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Biosphere - nope
> > >
> > > Wow - Biosphere get a mention on ucsm and a Channel4 trailer - in the
> > > same week!
> >
> > What Channel 4 trailer?
> >
> > -z-
>
> It's a trailer for horror film season (or something) - uses the "I had a
> dream last night, We had the same dream" from Phantasm off Patashnic

Oh. Haven't seen it, but will keep an eye out.

-z-


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