Thomas Fischer
07-09-2003, 11:29 PM
Hi Ted,
I wrote all this to somebody else, but I'm afraid it covers your problem
too.
I am sorry I don't have a real solution, actually there is some indication
there is none:
in article t5r1gv43hg4jgf9bmmgci53r85p94ec7dk[at]4ax.com, John McGhie [MVP -
Word] at john[at]mcghie-information.com.au wrote on 01.07.2003 4:19 Uhr:
> Given that languages are important to you, I STRONGLY urge you to wait for
> Office 11. Let me put this another way: *Don't* Buy Office X. Put up with
> what you have now. Office 11 is just around the corner and will contain
> vastly improved multilingual facilities.
>
> I would go further: the multilingual features of Office X are not really
> much help. They are a constant source of trouble and incompatibility, and
> many people find them unuseable. Sorry, but that's the price we paid for
> Office being the first major software package onto OS X: they just did not
> have the time to get it right.
So I described what I am doing now in article
BAE2B609.F2D%th.fischer[at]addcom.de, Thomas Fischer at th.fischer[at]addcom.de
wrote on 10.05.2003 13:58 Uhr:
> Actually, I don't have a real cure for the problem right now, so I am using
> workarounds. I defined a character style "English noproof" and made a
> change-all from "format language English" to my style "English noproof" and
> defined the style to be no proofing. I can switch back to the real thing by
> changing the definition of the style, hibernating for a solution by
> Microsoft.
>
> The problem is obviously connected to Word opening the same dictionary again
> on every language change, so changing everything to one language will stop
> the occurrence of the problem, but this is no solution (at least for me).
> I am working on a book of 450+ pages with lots of English quotations and a
> 50 page bibliography of books and articles in German and English. Even if I
> deselect spell checking, I need the hyphenation to be at the right place,
> which won't work without the language activated.
There is some indication though, that one can work with the languages active
if spell checking is disabled, hyphenation still works then. But I never
checked how far this will go, it seems that essentially you gain room for
more hyphenation dictionaries, but the problem is not solved. Depending on
the length of the document, or rather the number of language changes in the
document, it might be just enough to get around.
I hope this is of some help.
All the best from Germany,
Thomas
in article ad0ed70f.0306192324.fcc57be[at]posting.google.com, Ted Roberts at
tedroberts[at]aol.com wrote on 20.06.2003 9:24 Uhr:
> Hi John,
>
> I tried your tips, but without success. I checked permissions on my
> files and folder. I "owned" them and had read/write access, the group
> was "Unknown" and only had read access. As an experiment I granted
> everyone read/write access (owner/group/world), but still it did not
> work.
>
> Later on I logged on as administrator and didn't have a problem,
> perhaps something is wrong with my normal user account.
>
> I used to have this problem, it went away (I cannot remember what I
> did, but a re-install of Office did not solve it then).
>
> Thanks for your help anyway.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Ted (in the UK)
>
> "John McGhie [MVP - Word]" <john[at]mcghie-information.com.au> wrote in message
> news:<99l2fvc3pi9srfcoa8hjr13e2itssc4ote[at]4ax.com>...
>> Hi Ted:
>>
>> You've got the "60 Saves" bug too. There's no proper cure.
>>
>> However, if you go to Word>Preferences>Save and turn "Always create backup"
>> ON and "Allow Fast Saves" OFF, it will happen very rarely.
>>
>> Make sure that the location you are trying to save to is within your OS X
>> User>Documents folder. OS X assumes that the logged in user (you) has
>> permission to do anything it likes in there because the logged in user (you)
>> owns all of the files in that folder. Files in other parts of the disk are
>> not guaranteed.
>>
>> Of course, if you have not created a user ID in OS X and logged in to it,
>> that may be your problem.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> This responds to microsoft.public.mac.office.word on 18 Jun 2003 05:37:21
>> -0700, tedroberts[at]aol.com (Ted Roberts):
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I am running Office 2001 under Classic under Mac OS X (10.2.6) and
>>> recently have been getting the following message when trying to save
>>> files that I've updated: "Word cannot complete the save due to a file
>>> permission error"
>>>
>>> I have scanned this newsgroup and see that others have had the same
>>> message, but they were using either floppy disks or a file server. I'm
>>> using my hard-drive.
>>>
>>> It used to work.
>>>
>>> I've successfully used Repair Permissions using Disk Utility, but
>>> still have the problem.
>>>
>>> I can use Save As. If I accept the error message, the file is renamed
>>> to a Working file and the 'source' file is deleted. I've saved as rtf,
>>> but without success.
>>>
>>> Can anyone help me, please?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Ted
>>
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>>
>> Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.
>>
>> John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>> Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au
I wrote all this to somebody else, but I'm afraid it covers your problem
too.
I am sorry I don't have a real solution, actually there is some indication
there is none:
in article t5r1gv43hg4jgf9bmmgci53r85p94ec7dk[at]4ax.com, John McGhie [MVP -
Word] at john[at]mcghie-information.com.au wrote on 01.07.2003 4:19 Uhr:
> Given that languages are important to you, I STRONGLY urge you to wait for
> Office 11. Let me put this another way: *Don't* Buy Office X. Put up with
> what you have now. Office 11 is just around the corner and will contain
> vastly improved multilingual facilities.
>
> I would go further: the multilingual features of Office X are not really
> much help. They are a constant source of trouble and incompatibility, and
> many people find them unuseable. Sorry, but that's the price we paid for
> Office being the first major software package onto OS X: they just did not
> have the time to get it right.
So I described what I am doing now in article
BAE2B609.F2D%th.fischer[at]addcom.de, Thomas Fischer at th.fischer[at]addcom.de
wrote on 10.05.2003 13:58 Uhr:
> Actually, I don't have a real cure for the problem right now, so I am using
> workarounds. I defined a character style "English noproof" and made a
> change-all from "format language English" to my style "English noproof" and
> defined the style to be no proofing. I can switch back to the real thing by
> changing the definition of the style, hibernating for a solution by
> Microsoft.
>
> The problem is obviously connected to Word opening the same dictionary again
> on every language change, so changing everything to one language will stop
> the occurrence of the problem, but this is no solution (at least for me).
> I am working on a book of 450+ pages with lots of English quotations and a
> 50 page bibliography of books and articles in German and English. Even if I
> deselect spell checking, I need the hyphenation to be at the right place,
> which won't work without the language activated.
There is some indication though, that one can work with the languages active
if spell checking is disabled, hyphenation still works then. But I never
checked how far this will go, it seems that essentially you gain room for
more hyphenation dictionaries, but the problem is not solved. Depending on
the length of the document, or rather the number of language changes in the
document, it might be just enough to get around.
I hope this is of some help.
All the best from Germany,
Thomas
in article ad0ed70f.0306192324.fcc57be[at]posting.google.com, Ted Roberts at
tedroberts[at]aol.com wrote on 20.06.2003 9:24 Uhr:
> Hi John,
>
> I tried your tips, but without success. I checked permissions on my
> files and folder. I "owned" them and had read/write access, the group
> was "Unknown" and only had read access. As an experiment I granted
> everyone read/write access (owner/group/world), but still it did not
> work.
>
> Later on I logged on as administrator and didn't have a problem,
> perhaps something is wrong with my normal user account.
>
> I used to have this problem, it went away (I cannot remember what I
> did, but a re-install of Office did not solve it then).
>
> Thanks for your help anyway.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Ted (in the UK)
>
> "John McGhie [MVP - Word]" <john[at]mcghie-information.com.au> wrote in message
> news:<99l2fvc3pi9srfcoa8hjr13e2itssc4ote[at]4ax.com>...
>> Hi Ted:
>>
>> You've got the "60 Saves" bug too. There's no proper cure.
>>
>> However, if you go to Word>Preferences>Save and turn "Always create backup"
>> ON and "Allow Fast Saves" OFF, it will happen very rarely.
>>
>> Make sure that the location you are trying to save to is within your OS X
>> User>Documents folder. OS X assumes that the logged in user (you) has
>> permission to do anything it likes in there because the logged in user (you)
>> owns all of the files in that folder. Files in other parts of the disk are
>> not guaranteed.
>>
>> Of course, if you have not created a user ID in OS X and logged in to it,
>> that may be your problem.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> This responds to microsoft.public.mac.office.word on 18 Jun 2003 05:37:21
>> -0700, tedroberts[at]aol.com (Ted Roberts):
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I am running Office 2001 under Classic under Mac OS X (10.2.6) and
>>> recently have been getting the following message when trying to save
>>> files that I've updated: "Word cannot complete the save due to a file
>>> permission error"
>>>
>>> I have scanned this newsgroup and see that others have had the same
>>> message, but they were using either floppy disks or a file server. I'm
>>> using my hard-drive.
>>>
>>> It used to work.
>>>
>>> I've successfully used Repair Permissions using Disk Utility, but
>>> still have the problem.
>>>
>>> I can use Save As. If I accept the error message, the file is renamed
>>> to a Working file and the 'source' file is deleted. I've saved as rtf,
>>> but without success.
>>>
>>> Can anyone help me, please?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Ted
>>
>> All Spam blocked with SpamNet: a free download from http://www.cloudmark.com/
>>
>> Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.
>>
>> John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>> Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au