Hi Jan:

Before you can do anything professional in Word, I always recommend that you
go to Tools>AutoCorrect>AutoFormat as you type and turn OFF everything you
see in there :-)

You may also want to go to Preferences>Compatibility and set it to the
latest version of Word, then ensure that everything is also turned off in
there.

Any more? Oh yes, make sure Enable Click 'n' Type is turned off :-)

And go to Preferences>Save and ensure "Always create backup copy" is turned
ON.

There: that shoudl tame it for you :-)

Cheers


This responds to microsoft.public.mac.office.word on Mon, 07 Jul 2003
16:22:19 -0700, Jan Martel <jmartel[at]ix.netcom.com>:

> I'm about to start on a project that will result in several documents that
> are similar and all of which will have nested, numbered paragraphs. Deciding
> that since for once I have what seems like enough time to do it right
> instead of get it done NOW, I went to the MVPs site to look into numbering
> and formatting. There I found John McGhie's FAQ article on Word's Numbering
> Explained. And there (amidst much helpful, if also somewhat confusing :-),
> information) I found:
>
> "If, on the Edit tab of the Tools + Options dialog, you have the Tabs and
> Backspace set left indent checkbox ticked, you can change levels by placing
> your insertion point at the beginning of the paragraph, just after the
> number, and hit Tab to go down a level, or Shift/Tab to go up a level. Most
> people don't know this, or why their numbering keeps changing. Exciting,
> isn't it?"
>
> And that's my THANK YOU for today! I have frequently uttered improper words
> when Word would insist on moving paragraphs and numbering and whatever
> around. I could usually, after enough expletives, get things back as I
> wanted them, but I couldn¹t figure out *why* things were getting moved
> around to begin with. Sure enough, when I went to Prefs -> Edit, I
> discovered that "Tabs and Backspace set left indent" was checked. I guess
> that's how it came and I didn't realize it was causing the irritating
> behavior. I've deselected it and will be grateful to be able to tab away
> without moving whole chunks of text around!

Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au

OK, I've done all of that, except I left "curly quotes" because I like them
- but I'll do away with them if they'll really cause trouble :-). (I can't
figure out what "click 'n type" is, but it's gone, so whatever it is it
won't bite me! Thank you :-)

On 7/7/03 8:12 PM, in article tfdkgv86mb5vt9n4qsttnrt8fmi7keuuh3[at]4ax.com,
"John McGhie [MVP - Word]" <john[at]mcghie-information.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Jan:
>
> Before you can do anything professional in Word, I always recommend that you
> go to Tools>AutoCorrect>AutoFormat as you type and turn OFF everything you
> see in there :-)
>
> You may also want to go to Preferences>Compatibility and set it to the
> latest version of Word, then ensure that everything is also turned off in
> there.
>
> Any more? Oh yes, make sure Enable Click 'n' Type is turned off :-)
>
> And go to Preferences>Save and ensure "Always create backup copy" is turned
> ON.
>
> There: that shoudl tame it for you :-)
>
> Cheers
>
>
> This responds to microsoft.public.mac.office.word on Mon, 07 Jul 2003
> 16:22:19 -0700, Jan Martel <jmartel[at]ix.netcom.com>:
>
>> I'm about to start on a project that will result in several documents that
>> are similar and all of which will have nested, numbered paragraphs. Deciding
>> that since for once I have what seems like enough time to do it right
>> instead of get it done NOW, I went to the MVPs site to look into numbering
>> and formatting. There I found John McGhie's FAQ article on Word's Numbering
>> Explained. And there (amidst much helpful, if also somewhat confusing :-),
>> information) I found:
>>
>> "If, on the Edit tab of the Tools + Options dialog, you have the Tabs and
>> Backspace set left indent checkbox ticked, you can change levels by placing
>> your insertion point at the beginning of the paragraph, just after the
>> number, and hit Tab to go down a level, or Shift/Tab to go up a level. Most
>> people don't know this, or why their numbering keeps changing. Exciting,
>> isn't it?"
>>
>> And that's my THANK YOU for today! I have frequently uttered improper words
>> when Word would insist on moving paragraphs and numbering and whatever
>> around. I could usually, after enough expletives, get things back as I
>> wanted them, but I couldn¹t figure out *why* things were getting moved
>> around to begin with. Sure enough, when I went to Prefs -> Edit, I
>> discovered that "Tabs and Backspace set left indent" was checked. I guess
>> that's how it came and I didn't realize it was causing the irritating
>> behavior. I've deselected it and will be grateful to be able to tab away
>> without moving whole chunks of text around!
>
> Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.
>
> John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au

Hey Jan--

Show Balloons, and then mousing over the options, will often give you more
information on dialog boxes--at least in most of the Prefs options in Word
2001. It's not consistently helpful, but worth a try, and very good when it
works.

Dayo

On 7/8/03 12:46 AM, in article BB2F9ABE.20DD7%jmartel[at]ix.netcom.com, "Jan
Martel" <jmartel[at]ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> OK, I've done all of that, except I left "curly quotes" because I like them
> - but I'll do away with them if they'll really cause trouble :-). (I can't
> figure out what "click 'n type" is, but it's gone, so whatever it is it
> won't bite me! Thank you :-)
>
> On 7/7/03 8:12 PM, in article tfdkgv86mb5vt9n4qsttnrt8fmi7keuuh3[at]4ax.com,
> "John McGhie [MVP - Word]" <john[at]mcghie-information.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jan:
>>
>> Before you can do anything professional in Word, I always recommend that you
>> go to Tools>AutoCorrect>AutoFormat as you type and turn OFF everything you
>> see in there :-)
>>
>> You may also want to go to Preferences>Compatibility and set it to the
>> latest version of Word, then ensure that everything is also turned off in
>> there.
>>
>> Any more? Oh yes, make sure Enable Click 'n' Type is turned off :-)
>>
>> And go to Preferences>Save and ensure "Always create backup copy" is turned
>> ON.
>>
>> There: that shoudl tame it for you :-)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> This responds to microsoft.public.mac.office.word on Mon, 07 Jul 2003
>> 16:22:19 -0700, Jan Martel <jmartel[at]ix.netcom.com>:
>>
>>> I'm about to start on a project that will result in several documents that
>>> are similar and all of which will have nested, numbered paragraphs. Deciding
>>> that since for once I have what seems like enough time to do it right
>>> instead of get it done NOW, I went to the MVPs site to look into numbering
>>> and formatting. There I found John McGhie's FAQ article on Word's Numbering
>>> Explained. And there (amidst much helpful, if also somewhat confusing :-),
>>> information) I found:
>>>
>>> "If, on the Edit tab of the Tools + Options dialog, you have the Tabs and
>>> Backspace set left indent checkbox ticked, you can change levels by placing
>>> your insertion point at the beginning of the paragraph, just after the
>>> number, and hit Tab to go down a level, or Shift/Tab to go up a level. Most
>>> people don't know this, or why their numbering keeps changing. Exciting,
>>> isn't it?"
>>>
>>> And that's my THANK YOU for today! I have frequently uttered improper words
>>> when Word would insist on moving paragraphs and numbering and whatever
>>> around. I could usually, after enough expletives, get things back as I
>>> wanted them, but I couldn¹t figure out *why* things were getting moved
>>> around to begin with. Sure enough, when I went to Prefs -> Edit, I
>>> discovered that "Tabs and Backspace set left indent" was checked. I guess
>>> that's how it came and I didn't realize it was causing the irritating
>>> behavior. I've deselected it and will be grateful to be able to tab away
>>> without moving whole chunks of text around!
>>
>> Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.
>>
>> John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
>> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
>> Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
>> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au
>

Hi Jan:

I nearly said "You can leave curly quotes on if you like" because I usually
do.

The only time they cause trouble is if you are typing program code and need
the standard ASCII ("straight quotes"). The curly quotes are actually
high-order Unicode characters, but they are also present in the MacRoman
character set, so they work on both PCs and Macs.

They might get substituted or cause trouble on some ancient computers but
not on current ones.

Cheers

This responds to microsoft.public.mac.office.word on Mon, 07 Jul 2003
21:46:38 -0700, Jan Martel <jmartel[at]ix.netcom.com>:

> OK, I've done all of that, except I left "curly quotes" because I like them
> - but I'll do away with them if they'll really cause trouble :-). (I can't
> figure out what "click 'n type" is, but it's gone, so whatever it is it
> won't bite me! Thank you :-)
>
> On 7/7/03 8:12 PM, in article tfdkgv86mb5vt9n4qsttnrt8fmi7keuuh3[at]4ax.com,
> "John McGhie [MVP - Word]" <john[at]mcghie-information.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jan:
> >
> > Before you can do anything professional in Word, I always recommend that you
> > go to Tools>AutoCorrect>AutoFormat as you type and turn OFF everything you
> > see in there :-)
> >
> > You may also want to go to Preferences>Compatibility and set it to the
> > latest version of Word, then ensure that everything is also turned off in
> > there.
> >
> > Any more? Oh yes, make sure Enable Click 'n' Type is turned off :-)
> >
> > And go to Preferences>Save and ensure "Always create backup copy" is turned
> > ON.
> >
> > There: that shoudl tame it for you :-)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > This responds to microsoft.public.mac.office.word on Mon, 07 Jul 2003
> > 16:22:19 -0700, Jan Martel <jmartel[at]ix.netcom.com>:
> >
> >> I'm about to start on a project that will result in several documents that
> >> are similar and all of which will have nested, numbered paragraphs. Deciding
> >> that since for once I have what seems like enough time to do it right
> >> instead of get it done NOW, I went to the MVPs site to look into numbering
> >> and formatting. There I found John McGhie's FAQ article on Word's Numbering
> >> Explained. And there (amidst much helpful, if also somewhat confusing :-),
> >> information) I found:
> >>
> >> "If, on the Edit tab of the Tools + Options dialog, you have the Tabs and
> >> Backspace set left indent checkbox ticked, you can change levels by placing
> >> your insertion point at the beginning of the paragraph, just after the
> >> number, and hit Tab to go down a level, or Shift/Tab to go up a level. Most
> >> people don't know this, or why their numbering keeps changing. Exciting,
> >> isn't it?"
> >>
> >> And that's my THANK YOU for today! I have frequently uttered improper words
> >> when Word would insist on moving paragraphs and numbering and whatever
> >> around. I could usually, after enough expletives, get things back as I
> >> wanted them, but I couldn¹t figure out *why* things were getting moved
> >> around to begin with. Sure enough, when I went to Prefs -> Edit, I
> >> discovered that "Tabs and Backspace set left indent" was checked. I guess
> >> that's how it came and I didn't realize it was causing the irritating
> >> behavior. I've deselected it and will be grateful to be able to tab away
> >> without moving whole chunks of text around!
> >
> > Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.
> >
> > John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
> > McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> > Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
> > +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au

Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au

Hi Jan:

"Click'n'Type was a REALLY stupid, brain-dead, embarrassing "Me Too"
tick-a-box feature introduced just because WordPerfect has it.

If you turn it on, you can click anywhere in a blank document and Word will
add enough blank paragraphs and tabs to place the insertion point where you
clicked.

Once you have done that, you have a document that is close to uneditable by
professional standards.

Anyone on my team who used Click'n'Type, in any document, would *not* enjoy
their next performance review. Mind you, anyone whose Word skills were so
absent that they formatted a document with blank lines and multiple tabs
would probably not have got the job in the first place, and they almost
certainly wouldn't last long enough to *have* a performance review :-)

However, it is necessary to remind users of some versions of Word to turn it
off, since it is turned on by default when Word is installed in some
versions. A pofessional Word user would of course know that the first time
they open Word they should go through and turn OFF all the various
"Automatic" features, so that they can regain control of Word.

In the trade, they are known as the "Automatically Stuff Up Your Document"
features. Actually, the name is a bit ruder than that, but this is a family
newsgroup... :-)

Cheers


This responds to microsoft.public.mac.office.word on Mon, 07 Jul 2003
21:46:38 -0700, Jan Martel <jmartel[at]ix.netcom.com>:

> OK, I've done all of that, except I left "curly quotes" because I like them
> - but I'll do away with them if they'll really cause trouble :-). (I can't
> figure out what "click 'n type" is, but it's gone, so whatever it is it
> won't bite me! Thank you :-)
>
> On 7/7/03 8:12 PM, in article tfdkgv86mb5vt9n4qsttnrt8fmi7keuuh3[at]4ax.com,
> "John McGhie [MVP - Word]" <john[at]mcghie-information.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jan:
> >
> > Before you can do anything professional in Word, I always recommend that you
> > go to Tools>AutoCorrect>AutoFormat as you type and turn OFF everything you
> > see in there :-)
> >
> > You may also want to go to Preferences>Compatibility and set it to the
> > latest version of Word, then ensure that everything is also turned off in
> > there.
> >
> > Any more? Oh yes, make sure Enable Click 'n' Type is turned off :-)
> >
> > And go to Preferences>Save and ensure "Always create backup copy" is turned
> > ON.
> >
> > There: that shoudl tame it for you :-)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > This responds to microsoft.public.mac.office.word on Mon, 07 Jul 2003
> > 16:22:19 -0700, Jan Martel <jmartel[at]ix.netcom.com>:
> >
> >> I'm about to start on a project that will result in several documents that
> >> are similar and all of which will have nested, numbered paragraphs. Deciding
> >> that since for once I have what seems like enough time to do it right
> >> instead of get it done NOW, I went to the MVPs site to look into numbering
> >> and formatting. There I found John McGhie's FAQ article on Word's Numbering
> >> Explained. And there (amidst much helpful, if also somewhat confusing :-),
> >> information) I found:
> >>
> >> "If, on the Edit tab of the Tools + Options dialog, you have the Tabs and
> >> Backspace set left indent checkbox ticked, you can change levels by placing
> >> your insertion point at the beginning of the paragraph, just after the
> >> number, and hit Tab to go down a level, or Shift/Tab to go up a level. Most
> >> people don't know this, or why their numbering keeps changing. Exciting,
> >> isn't it?"
> >>
> >> And that's my THANK YOU for today! I have frequently uttered improper words
> >> when Word would insist on moving paragraphs and numbering and whatever
> >> around. I could usually, after enough expletives, get things back as I
> >> wanted them, but I couldn¹t figure out *why* things were getting moved
> >> around to begin with. Sure enough, when I went to Prefs -> Edit, I
> >> discovered that "Tabs and Backspace set left indent" was checked. I guess
> >> that's how it came and I didn't realize it was causing the irritating
> >> behavior. I've deselected it and will be grateful to be able to tab away
> >> without moving whole chunks of text around!
> >
> > Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.
> >
> > John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
> > McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> > Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
> > +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au

Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au

Oh, I see. Thanks. Probably designed for the annoying people who like to
format with blank spaces and multiple tabs? I'd never have figured that out
from the description in the Preferences when I went to de-select it, but I
guess I just haven't happened to try to click in a random spot and start
typing, so it hasn't (yet) messed me up!

On 7/8/03 7:50 PM, in article 3b0ngv4icjo28hkj3shjoa1r7o4gvocesm[at]4ax.com,
"John McGhie [MVP - Word]" <john[at]mcghie-information.com.au> wrote:

> Hi Jan:
>
> "Click'n'Type was a REALLY stupid, brain-dead, embarrassing "Me Too"
> tick-a-box feature introduced just because WordPerfect has it.
>
> If you turn it on, you can click anywhere in a blank document and Word will
> add enough blank paragraphs and tabs to place the insertion point where you
> clicked.
>
> Once you have done that, you have a document that is close to uneditable by
> professional standards.
>
> Anyone on my team who used Click'n'Type, in any document, would *not* enjoy
> their next performance review. Mind you, anyone whose Word skills were so
> absent that they formatted a document with blank lines and multiple tabs
> would probably not have got the job in the first place, and they almost
> certainly wouldn't last long enough to *have* a performance review :-)
>
> However, it is necessary to remind users of some versions of Word to turn it
> off, since it is turned on by default when Word is installed in some
> versions. A pofessional Word user would of course know that the first time
> they open Word they should go through and turn OFF all the various
> "Automatic" features, so that they can regain control of Word.
>
> In the trade, they are known as the "Automatically Stuff Up Your Document"
> features. Actually, the name is a bit ruder than that, but this is a family
> newsgroup... :-)
>
> Cheers

>
> Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.
>
> John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au

Hi Jan:

This responds to microsoft.public.mac.office.word on Wed, 09 Jul 2003
21:44:28 -0700, Jan Martel <jmartel[at]ix.netcom.com>:

> Oh, I see. Thanks. Probably designed for the annoying people who like to
> format with blank spaces and multiple tabs?

Yes!!! Those ones!!! Click'n'Type automatically makes the disgusting mess
for them :-)

Cheers

> I'd never have figured that out
> from the description in the Preferences when I went to de-select it, but I
> guess I just haven't happened to try to click in a random spot and start
> typing, so it hasn't (yet) messed me up!
>
> On 7/8/03 7:50 PM, in article 3b0ngv4icjo28hkj3shjoa1r7o4gvocesm[at]4ax.com,
> "John McGhie [MVP - Word]" <john[at]mcghie-information.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jan:
> >
> > "Click'n'Type was a REALLY stupid, brain-dead, embarrassing "Me Too"
> > tick-a-box feature introduced just because WordPerfect has it.
> >
> > If you turn it on, you can click anywhere in a blank document and Word will
> > add enough blank paragraphs and tabs to place the insertion point where you
> > clicked.
> >
> > Once you have done that, you have a document that is close to uneditable by
> > professional standards.
> >
> > Anyone on my team who used Click'n'Type, in any document, would *not* enjoy
> > their next performance review. Mind you, anyone whose Word skills were so
> > absent that they formatted a document with blank lines and multiple tabs
> > would probably not have got the job in the first place, and they almost
> > certainly wouldn't last long enough to *have* a performance review :-)
> >
> > However, it is necessary to remind users of some versions of Word to turn it
> > off, since it is turned on by default when Word is installed in some
> > versions. A pofessional Word user would of course know that the first time
> > they open Word they should go through and turn OFF all the various
> > "Automatic" features, so that they can regain control of Word.
> >
> > In the trade, they are known as the "Automatically Stuff Up Your Document"
> > features. Actually, the name is a bit ruder than that, but this is a family
> > newsgroup... :-)
> >
> > Cheers
>
> >
> > Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.
> >
> > John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
> > McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> > Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
> > +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au

Please post all comments to the newsgroup to maintain the thread.

John McGhie, Consultant Technical Writer
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. GMT + 10 Hrs
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john[at]mcghie-information.com.au