Hi Florian,

I am experiencing the same problem with a large text with lots of quotes in
different languages. It seems that word cannot mannage too many changes in
language. Word actually open as many files as it can and than wont save
anymore. Usually you will be able to save your work if you switch off
hyphenation and/or spell checking.
I gave a more complete description of the problem in the thread "Bug: Too
many files open", in particular in message BAB6E7E8.BF8%th.fischer[at]addcom.de
Re: Bug: Too many files open, 07.04.2003 8:31.

If you switch to the terminal window, the command lsof (list open files)
will list all files open, usually many more than you care to know.
If you enter
Lsof | grep office
or some other catchphrase (e.g. Dict), you will be able to filter the files
Word is opening, and most likely will find dozens of copies of the same
dictionaries open - up to the limit that Word can handle (about 250, I
think).

I tried to replicate the problem, using two sentences, one in English, one
in German. I copied this often enough to fill about 12 pages, and then Word
stopped saving.

I'm sorry that this doesn't really help, but probably somebody at Microsoft
reading this can do something about it.

All the best,
Thomas Fischer


in article dfe700ad.0306280247.6e292113[at]posting.google.com,
florianluethy[at]hotmail.com at florianluethy[at]hotmail.com wrote on 28.06.2003
12:47 Uhr:

> my problem is the following: I am writing a larger text in Word (Power
> book G3, OSX.2.6, Office 10.1.3). Now, after some time Word warns me,
> that it cant find the german hyphenation folder (but it has could
> before!) then it stops to hyphenate. After some seconds when I try to
> save the document, Word tells me, that it cant complete the saving
> because there are too many windows open, although there is only my
> text window open and I'm not running any other applications. I already
> tried to reinstallate the system and Office. But the problem persists!
> I dont know what to do, please help!

Hi Thomas!

I'm using also a lot of quotes in German, English and French. My text
is about 66 pages up to now. But funny enough I already switched off
spell checking, but I cant do the same thing with hyphenation because
I have to use it.
Have you already tried the Disk Tool and repair permission? Did it go
well?

I really dont know what to do now. The problem happened to me again 10
minutes ago. Maybe switch to OpenOffice? Have you got any experiences
with that application? Because as I read, switching to Apple WOrks and
then open a bigger Word - Doc will cause a lot of problems...

And by the way, do you think it's really a software problem? All my
friends which use Office on their Macs have never experienced
something similar. Maybe there's a problem with the hardware?

Greetings!


florian

Thomas Fischer <th.fischer[at]addcom.de> wrote in message news:<BB253083.1567%th.fischer[at]addcom.de>...
> Hi Florian,
>
> I am experiencing the same problem with a large text with lots of quotes in
> different languages. It seems that word cannot mannage too many changes in
> language. Word actually open as many files as it can and than wont save
> anymore. Usually you will be able to save your work if you switch off
> hyphenation and/or spell checking.
> I gave a more complete description of the problem in the thread "Bug: Too
> many files open", in particular in message BAB6E7E8.BF8%th.fischer[at]addcom.de
> Re: Bug: Too many files open, 07.04.2003 8:31.
>
> If you switch to the terminal window, the command lsof (list open files)
> will list all files open, usually many more than you care to know.
> If you enter
> Lsof | grep office
> or some other catchphrase (e.g. Dict), you will be able to filter the files
> Word is opening, and most likely will find dozens of copies of the same
> dictionaries open - up to the limit that Word can handle (about 250, I
> think).
>
> I tried to replicate the problem, using two sentences, one in English, one
> in German. I copied this often enough to fill about 12 pages, and then Word
> stopped saving.
>
> I'm sorry that this doesn't really help, but probably somebody at Microsoft
> reading this can do something about it.
>
> All the best,
> Thomas Fischer
>
>
> in article dfe700ad.0306280247.6e292113[at]posting.google.com,
> florianluethy[at]hotmail.com at florianluethy[at]hotmail.com wrote on 28.06.2003
> 12:47 Uhr:
>
> > my problem is the following: I am writing a larger text in Word (Power
> > book G3, OSX.2.6, Office 10.1.3). Now, after some time Word warns me,
> > that it cant find the german hyphenation folder (but it has could
> > before!) then it stops to hyphenate. After some seconds when I try to
> > save the document, Word tells me, that it cant complete the saving
> > because there are too many windows open, although there is only my
> > text window open and I'm not running any other applications. I already
> > tried to reinstallate the system and Office. But the problem persists!
> > I dont know what to do, please help!

Hi Florian:

I have queried the developers on Thomas' and your analysis.

No, this very definitely is NOT a hardware problem.

There are problems with file handling in Word X, and specifically, with it
running out of file handles. This sounds like another one.

I'll get back to you if I get any further information.

Cheers

This responds to microsoft.public.mac.office.word on 30 Jun 2003 02:54:35
-0700, florianluethy[at]hotmail.com:

> Hi Thomas!
>
> I checked back the thread you mentioned: "Bug: Too
> > many files open", in particular in message BAB6E7E8.BF8%th.fischer[at]addcom.de
> > Re: Bug: Too many files open, 07.04.2003 8:31."
>
> and found this:
>
> The problem is not solved yet, so let's keep trying.
> Here is some more analysis:
>
> My list of open files contains 116 (!) times the lines:
>
> LaunchCFM 461 fischer 22r VREG 14,5 1574706 195135 /
> -- German
> Hyph Dict (pre-reform)
> LaunchCFM 461 fischer 23r VREG 14,5 1493184 195138
> /Applications/Microsoft Office X/Shared Applications/Proofing
> Tools/German
> Hyph Dict (post-reform)
>
> with the numbers running from 22r through 253r (I don't know what
> these
> lines really mean)
> There are a total of 119 files open with "Microsoft Office X" in
> the path,
> so I assume they were opened by Word (no other Office program
> running).
>
> Now, what did you do? Have you deleted all the open files? .... Hmmm,
> no that wont work in the terminal window, will it? (Probably sorry for
> the Question, I'm not that professional).
>
>
> > Hi Florian,
> >
> > I am experiencing the same problem with a large text with lots of quotes in
> > different languages. It seems that word cannot mannage too many changes in
> > language. Word actually open as many files as it can and than wont save
> > anymore. Usually you will be able to save your work if you switch off
> > hyphenation and/or spell checking.
> > I gave a more complete description of the problem in the thread "Bug: Too
> > many files open", in particular in message BAB6E7E8.BF8%th.fischer[at]addcom.de
> > Re: Bug: Too many files open, 07.04.2003 8:31.
> >
> > If you switch to the terminal window, the command lsof (list open files)
> > will list all files open, usually many more than you care to know.
> > If you enter
> > Lsof | grep office
> > or some other catchphrase (e.g. Dict), you will be able to filter the files
> > Word is opening, and most likely will find dozens of copies of the same
> > dictionaries open - up to the limit that Word can handle (about 250, I
> > think).
> >
> > I tried to replicate the problem, using two sentences, one in English, one
> > in German. I copied this often enough to fill about 12 pages, and then Word
> > stopped saving.
> >
> > I'm sorry that this doesn't really help, but probably somebody at Microsoft
> > reading this can do something about it.
> >
> > All the best,
> > Thomas Fischer
> >
> >
> > in article dfe700ad.0306280247.6e292113[at]posting.google.com,
> > florianluethy[at]hotmail.com at florianluethy[at]hotmail.com wrote on 28.06.2003
> > 12:47 Uhr:
> >
> > > my problem is the following: I am writing a larger text in Word (Power
> > > book G3, OSX.2.6, Office 10.1.3). Now, after some time Word warns me,
> > > that it cant find the german hyphenation folder (but it has could
> > > before!) then it stops to hyphenate. After some seconds when I try to
> > > save the document, Word tells me, that it cant complete the saving
> > > because there are too many windows open, although there is only my
> > > text window open and I'm not running any other applications. I already
> > > tried to reinstallate the system and Office. But the problem persists!
> > > I dont know what to do, please help!

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Hi Florian,

Actually, I don't have a real cure for the problem right now, so I am using
workarounds. I defined a character style "English noproof" and made a
change-all from "format language English" to my style "English noproof" and
defined the style to be no proofing. I can switch back to the real thing by
changing the definition of the style, hibernating for a solution by
Microsoft.

The problem is obviously connected to Word opening the same dictionary again
on every language change, so changing everything to one language will stop
the occurrence of the problem, but this is no solution (at least for me).
I am working on a book of 450+ pages with lots of English quotations and a
50 page bibliography of books and articles in German and English. Even if I
deselect spell checking, I need the hyphenation to be at the right place,
which won't work without the language activated.
So for now I just can say that you can't write a complex scientific book
using MS Word (I actually was considering switching to TeX, but there are
other problems, which belong into another newsgroup ... ;-) ). I hope
somebody comes up with a solution.

You wrote:
> And by the way, do you think it's really a software problem? All my
> friends which use Office on their Macs have never experienced
> something similar. Maybe there's a problem with the hardware?
I would be very interested if they don't run into this problem if they try
the test I mentioned in my last note, creating a 12 page word file with
sentences in English and German alternating.

All the best,
Thomas

in article dfe700ad.0306300120.5d75e409[at]posting.google.com,
florianluethy[at]hotmail.com at florianluethy[at]hotmail.com wrote on 30.06.2003
11:20 Uhr:

> Hi Thomas!
>
> I'm using also a lot of quotes in German, English and French. My text
> is about 66 pages up to now. But funny enough I already switched off
> spell checking, but I cant do the same thing with hyphenation because
> I have to use it.
> Have you already tried the Disk Tool and repair permission? Did it go
> well?
>
> I really dont know what to do now. The problem happened to me again 10
> minutes ago. Maybe switch to OpenOffice? Have you got any experiences
> with that application? Because as I read, switching to Apple WOrks and
> then open a bigger Word - Doc will cause a lot of problems...
>
> And by the way, do you think it's really a software problem? All my
> friends which use Office on their Macs have never experienced
> something similar. Maybe there's a problem with the hardware?
>
> Greetings!
>
>
> florian
>
> Thomas Fischer <th.fischer[at]addcom.de> wrote in message
> news:<BB253083.1567%th.fischer[at]addcom.de>...
>> Hi Florian,
>>
>> I am experiencing the same problem with a large text with lots of quotes in
>> different languages. It seems that word cannot mannage too many changes in
>> language. Word actually open as many files as it can and than wont save
>> anymore. Usually you will be able to save your work if you switch off
>> hyphenation and/or spell checking.
>> I gave a more complete description of the problem in the thread "Bug: Too
>> many files open", in particular in message BAB6E7E8.BF8%th.fischer[at]addcom.de
>> Re: Bug: Too many files open, 07.04.2003 8:31.
>>
>> If you switch to the terminal window, the command lsof (list open files)
>> will list all files open, usually many more than you care to know.
>> If you enter
>> Lsof | grep office
>> or some other catchphrase (e.g. Dict), you will be able to filter the files
>> Word is opening, and most likely will find dozens of copies of the same
>> dictionaries open - up to the limit that Word can handle (about 250, I
>> think).
>>
>> I tried to replicate the problem, using two sentences, one in English, one
>> in German. I copied this often enough to fill about 12 pages, and then Word
>> stopped saving.
>>
>> I'm sorry that this doesn't really help, but probably somebody at Microsoft
>> reading this can do something about it.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Thomas Fischer
>>
>>
>> in article dfe700ad.0306280247.6e292113[at]posting.google.com,
>> florianluethy[at]hotmail.com at florianluethy[at]hotmail.com wrote on 28.06.2003
>> 12:47 Uhr:
>>
>>> my problem is the following: I am writing a larger text in Word (Power
>>> book G3, OSX.2.6, Office 10.1.3). Now, after some time Word warns me,
>>> that it cant find the german hyphenation folder (but it has could
>>> before!) then it stops to hyphenate. After some seconds when I try to
>>> save the document, Word tells me, that it cant complete the saving
>>> because there are too many windows open, although there is only my
>>> text window open and I'm not running any other applications. I already
>>> tried to reinstallate the system and Office. But the problem persists!
>>> I dont know what to do, please help!

Hi Thomas!

Thank you for telling me how you do it. I guess I'll try the same way.
It's really too bad this whole thing. But at least I learned how to
use Newsgroups... :-)

Thank you for your patience and help!

All my best to you!


florian


Thomas Fischer <th.fischer[at]addcom.de> wrote in message news:<BB27D2F7.15B2%th.fischer[at]addcom.de>...
> Hi Florian,
>
> Actually, I don't have a real cure for the problem right now, so I am using
> workarounds. I defined a character style "English noproof" and made a
> change-all from "format language English" to my style "English noproof" and
> defined the style to be no proofing. I can switch back to the real thing by
> changing the definition of the style, hibernating for a solution by
> Microsoft.
>
> The problem is obviously connected to Word opening the same dictionary again
> on every language change, so changing everything to one language will stop
> the occurrence of the problem, but this is no solution (at least for me).
> I am working on a book of 450+ pages with lots of English quotations and a
> 50 page bibliography of books and articles in German and English. Even if I
> deselect spell checking, I need the hyphenation to be at the right place,
> which won't work without the language activated.
> So for now I just can say that you can't write a complex scientific book
> using MS Word (I actually was considering switching to TeX, but there are
> other problems, which belong into another newsgroup ... ;-) ). I hope
> somebody comes up with a solution.
>
> You wrote:
> > And by the way, do you think it's really a software problem? All my
> > friends which use Office on their Macs have never experienced
> > something similar. Maybe there's a problem with the hardware?
> I would be very interested if they don't run into this problem if they try
> the test I mentioned in my last note, creating a 12 page word file with
> sentences in English and German alternating.
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
>
> in article dfe700ad.0306300120.5d75e409[at]posting.google.com,
> florianluethy[at]hotmail.com at florianluethy[at]hotmail.com wrote on 30.06.2003
> 11:20 Uhr:
>
> > Hi Thomas!
> >
> > I'm using also a lot of quotes in German, English and French. My text
> > is about 66 pages up to now. But funny enough I already switched off
> > spell checking, but I cant do the same thing with hyphenation because
> > I have to use it.
> > Have you already tried the Disk Tool and repair permission? Did it go
> > well?
> >
> > I really dont know what to do now. The problem happened to me again 10
> > minutes ago. Maybe switch to OpenOffice? Have you got any experiences
> > with that application? Because as I read, switching to Apple WOrks and
> > then open a bigger Word - Doc will cause a lot of problems...
> >
> > And by the way, do you think it's really a software problem? All my
> > friends which use Office on their Macs have never experienced
> > something similar. Maybe there's a problem with the hardware?
> >
> > Greetings!
> >
> >
> > florian
> >
> > Thomas Fischer <th.fischer[at]addcom.de> wrote in message
> > news:<BB253083.1567%th.fischer[at]addcom.de>...
> >> Hi Florian,
> >>
> >> I am experiencing the same problem with a large text with lots of quotes in
> >> different languages. It seems that word cannot mannage too many changes in
> >> language. Word actually open as many files as it can and than wont save
> >> anymore. Usually you will be able to save your work if you switch off
> >> hyphenation and/or spell checking.
> >> I gave a more complete description of the problem in the thread "Bug: Too
> >> many files open", in particular in message BAB6E7E8.BF8%th.fischer[at]addcom.de
> >> Re: Bug: Too many files open, 07.04.2003 8:31.
> >>
> >> If you switch to the terminal window, the command lsof (list open files)
> >> will list all files open, usually many more than you care to know.
> >> If you enter
> >> Lsof | grep office
> >> or some other catchphrase (e.g. Dict), you will be able to filter the files
> >> Word is opening, and most likely will find dozens of copies of the same
> >> dictionaries open - up to the limit that Word can handle (about 250, I
> >> think).
> >>
> >> I tried to replicate the problem, using two sentences, one in English, one
> >> in German. I copied this often enough to fill about 12 pages, and then Word
> >> stopped saving.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry that this doesn't really help, but probably somebody at Microsoft
> >> reading this can do something about it.
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >> Thomas Fischer
> >>
> >>
> >> in article dfe700ad.0306280247.6e292113[at]posting.google.com,
> >> florianluethy[at]hotmail.com at florianluethy[at]hotmail.com wrote on 28.06.2003
> >> 12:47 Uhr:
> >>
> >>> my problem is the following: I am writing a larger text in Word (Power
> >>> book G3, OSX.2.6, Office 10.1.3). Now, after some time Word warns me,
> >>> that it cant find the german hyphenation folder (but it has could
> >>> before!) then it stops to hyphenate. After some seconds when I try to
> >>> save the document, Word tells me, that it cant complete the saving
> >>> because there are too many windows open, although there is only my
> >>> text window open and I'm not running any other applications. I already
> >>> tried to reinstallate the system and Office. But the problem persists!
> >>> I dont know what to do, please help!