For no apparent reason other than a) it's close to lunchtime b)it's
Friday and c) nerdy curiosity, I began winding back the months in Palm
Desktop to see how far back it would go.

Curiouser and Curiouser... It goes back as you would expect until Jan
1904 (seem to remember something about Mac date calculations starting
with 1904) but then it leaps forward to April 1947...March 1947..etc
etc.

Wassall that about then?
Jeremy

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Jeremy Fieldsend <jeremy[at]yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> For no apparent reason other than a) it's close to lunchtime b)it's
> Friday and c) nerdy curiosity, I began winding back the months in Palm
> Desktop to see how far back it would go.
>
> Curiouser and Curiouser... It goes back as you would expect until Jan
> 1904 (seem to remember something about Mac date calculations starting
> with 1904) but then it leaps forward to April 1947...March 1947..etc
> etc.
>
> Wassall that about then?

It's all to do with Steve Jobs' pocket time machine, which he will
unveil at the 2006 expo ("a thousand epochs in your pocket!") and
demonstrate by going back to 1904 (at this point, a small percentage of
the audience giggle knowingly at the chosen date). Unfortunately due to
software problems he ends up in 1947; on his return he tosses the time
machine to a techy in the front row to get it fixed, following which the
whole of usenet becomes aflame with discussions of how he "threw it in
anger".

Of course, in doing this demonstration, Jobs inadvertently set up a
glitch in the space-time continuum; whilst *historically* 1947 came 43
years after 1904, if you travel *backwards* across the timestream, 1947
also comes immediately *before* 1904; hence you can (or will be able to)
travel backwards as far as you like but never get further back than
1904.

Palm Desktop was/will be updated retrospectively (in September 2007) as
a "bit of a joke" by the last few employees of Palm just before it
becomes officially a subdivision of AppleSonySoft Inc; this becomes one
of the Nine Great Clues that time travel is/will become possible.

As an aside, this means that in one (accidental) stroke, Jobs will solve
the problem of the grandfather paradox (as long as your grandfather was
born before 1904). This will put a number of pop-science writers out of
a job, and will also piss off a number of historians who *really* wanted
to see whether Joan of Arc was good in bed.

-z-


(I'm on a train and I'm bored)

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zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> Of course, in doing this demonstration, Jobs inadvertently set up a
> glitch in the space-time continuum; whilst *historically* 1947 came 43
> years after 1904, if you travel *backwards* across the timestream, 1947
> also comes immediately *before* 1904; hence you can (or will be able to)
> travel backwards as far as you like but never get further back than
> 1904.

That's not quite true. Philip K. Ronigma in Salt Lake City has been
working on a genealogy program that now goes back to 4000 years BC, so
he can prove we *are* all descended from Adam and Eve. He's wrong of
course, but in the process he opened a small loophole back through the
1904 history horizon.

There was a virtual cavity for a while if you were using Excel 98 in
Classic and turned off 1904 dates on a spreadsheet that already had a
century of dates in column G, and "d00mG" in cell C3 (how *do* they find
these things?), but a non-communication between the Microserfs meant
that they inadvertently coded over that little Easter Egg, replacing a
two-line elegant function with eleven thousand lines of code containing
642 known bugs (as at 2003.5.27).

Phil's program is available for OSXII, downloadable from
vwtp://web.phil.kronigma.time/genesis.xpt
Unfortunately as of this writing, Apple's Virtual World Transport
Protocol browser Apollo hasn't been written yet.

--
Pd

zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> It's all to do with Steve Jobs' pocket time machine, which he will
> unveil at the 2006 expo ("a thousand epochs in your pocket!") and
> demonstrate by going back to 1904 (at this point, a small percentage of
> the audience giggle knowingly at the chosen date). Unfortunately due to
> software problems he ends up in 1947; on his return he tosses the time
> machine to a techy in the front row to get it fixed, following which the
> whole of usenet becomes aflame with discussions of how he "threw it in
> anger".
>
> Of course, in doing this demonstration, Jobs inadvertently set up a
> glitch in the space-time continuum; whilst *historically* 1947 came 43
> years after 1904, if you travel *backwards* across the timestream, 1947
> also comes immediately *before* 1904; hence you can (or will be able to)
> travel backwards as far as you like but never get further back than
> 1904.
>
> Palm Desktop was/will be updated retrospectively (in September 2007) as
> a "bit of a joke" by the last few employees of Palm just before it
> becomes officially a subdivision of AppleSonySoft Inc; this becomes one
> of the Nine Great Clues that time travel is/will become possible.
>
> As an aside, this means that in one (accidental) stroke, Jobs will solve
> the problem of the grandfather paradox (as long as your grandfather was
> born before 1904). This will put a number of pop-science writers out of
> a job, and will also piss off a number of historians who *really* wanted
> to see whether Joan of Arc was good in bed.
>
> -z-
>
>
> (I'm on a train and I'm bored)

Er.. Thanks?
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PeterD <pd.news[at]dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote:

> zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Of course, in doing this demonstration, Jobs inadvertently set up a
> > glitch in the space-time continuum; whilst *historically* 1947 came 43
> > years after 1904, if you travel *backwards* across the timestream, 1947
> > also comes immediately *before* 1904; hence you can (or will be able to)
> > travel backwards as far as you like but never get further back than
> > 1904.
>
> That's not quite true. Philip K. Ronigma in Salt Lake City has been
> working on a genealogy program that now goes back to 4000 years BC, so
> he can prove we *are* all descended from Adam and Eve. He's wrong of
> course, but in the process he opened a small loophole back through the
> 1904 history horizon.

Oh, sure... there's the odd loophole here and there. I've got one in the
airing cupboard from 1984 that goes back to December 1903; unfortunately
that only gives an extra month before you're at the event horizon again,
so it's not really worth much; it's more a nostalgia piece. And you have
to go back to 1984 in the first place in order to used it; my airing
cupboard iswas the middle of a curry house kitchen then, but they've got
used to me popping in without notice every so often.

It's the very same loophole that Edwin Fraunhoefer will created in the
2012 Christmas Lectures to proved that the 'event horizon' iswas only a
horizon if travelling *directly* backwards in time. Course, time has
bends, doesn't it? So he will had taken a short one as a quick and dirty
proof; people in the audience will have had been impressed.

> There was a virtual cavity for a while if you were using Excel 98 in
> Classic and turned off 1904 dates on a spreadsheet that already had a
> century of dates in column G, and "d00mG" in cell C3 (how *do* they find
> these things?), but a non-communication between the Microserfs meant
> that they inadvertently coded over that little Easter Egg, replacing a
> two-line elegant function with eleven thousand lines of code containing
> 642 known bugs (as at 2003.5.27).

You can patch that back, of course.

> Phil's program is available for OSXII, downloadable from
> vwtp://web.phil.kronigma.time/genesis.xpt
> Unfortunately as of this writing, Apple's Virtual World Transport
> Protocol browser Apollo hasn't been written yet.

Yeah, but the beta iswas going to be great.

-z-



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zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:

> > Unfortunately as of this writing, Apple's Virtual World Transport
> > Protocol browser Apollo hasn't been written yet.
>
> Yeah, but the beta iswas going to be great.

So Steve will said.

PeterD <pd.news[at]dsl.pipex.invalid> wrote:

> zoara <me3[at]privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > > Unfortunately as of this writing, Apple's Virtual World Transport
> > > Protocol browser Apollo hasn't been written yet.
> >
> > Yeah, but the beta iswas going to be great.
>
> So Steve will said.

Yeah, but he iswas right; I did have got a copy.

Version 1.0 has is not will been released yet.

-z-


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