Hardly a mention has been made of the recent death of Adam Osborne, the
computer pioneer who introduced the first portable computer in the very
early 80's.

Many may remember his table-top sewing machine case-sized portable with
five inch B&W monitor, dual floppy drives, and CP/M operating system. Later
models included a larger color monitor, built-in printer, and other minor
refinements.

While hardly a portable by today's standards, the Osborne computer did
introduce the idea of a portable computer that could be used anywhere. Over
the next decade, various manufacturers made early attempts to build a
portable computer, including Apple's first attempt with its expensive LCD
monitor for the Apple IIc. Those early attempts eventually led to the
laptops we see today.

Adam Osborne leaves behind fond memories of those early days of computer
innovation.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 14:11:37 -0400, Dwight Stewart <stewart[at]say.net>
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:

>
> Hardly a mention has been made of the recent death of Adam Osborne, the
>computer pioneer who introduced the first portable computer in the very
>early 80's.

He died in March. Get over it.

> Many may remember his table-top sewing machine case-sized portable with
>five inch B&W monitor, dual floppy drives, and CP/M operating system. Later
>models included a larger color monitor, built-in printer, and other minor
>refinements.
>
> While hardly a portable by today's standards, the Osborne computer did
>introduce the idea of a portable computer that could be used anywhere. Over
>the next decade, various manufacturers made early attempts to build a
>portable computer, including Apple's first attempt with its expensive LCD
>monitor for the Apple IIc. Those early attempts eventually led to the
>laptops we see today.
>
> Adam Osborne leaves behind fond memories of those early days of computer
>innovation.



--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence.

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:03:19 GMT, Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com>
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:

>In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
>> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
>> He died in March. Get over it.
>>
>
>
>Dear Mayor,
>
>I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??

Its pretty self-explanatory.



--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence.

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:21:05 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker[at]telus.net>
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:

>In article <3m5mgvk70mcbj1kguvt1ljfi48kv6f5m6i[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:03:19 GMT, Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com>
>> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
>> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
>> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>> >
>> >> He died in March. Get over it.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >Dear Mayor,
>> >
>> >I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??
>>
>> Its pretty self-explanatory.
>
>Yeah. You're an asshole.

Been in the pickle juice again have you Alan?
You really should lay off the stuff. It doesn't make you as witty and
wise as you think it does.



--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence.

In article <alangbaker-4CEBAB.12210608072003[at]news.telus.net>,
Alan Baker <alangbaker[at]telus.net> wrote:

> In article <3m5mgvk70mcbj1kguvt1ljfi48kv6f5m6i[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:03:19 GMT, Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com>
> > chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> >
> > >In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
> > > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
> > >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> > >
> > >> He died in March. Get over it.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >Dear Mayor,
> > >
> > >I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??
> >
> > Its pretty self-explanatory.
>
> Yeah. You're an asshole.

Yep. That pretty much sums up the Mayor.

--
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Woofbert's Law on Learning Linux: When attempting to learn Linux,
study it thoroughly before you begin.

In article <TheSpider-083C69.14045708072003[at]zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com> wrote:

> In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
> > chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> > He died in March. Get over it.
> >
>
>
> Dear Mayor,
>
> I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??

Think of Mayor as that guy in the white sheet lynching a black man.

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:10:16 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> chose to bless us
with the following wisdom:

>In article <TheSpider-083C69.14045708072003[at]zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
> Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
>> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
>> > chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> > He died in March. Get over it.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Dear Mayor,
>>
>> I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??
>
>Think of Mayor as that guy in the white sheet lynching a black man.

Think of no as that black man.

Seriously, is the best you can do? A Klan reference? And its not even
that. Its a nearly 100 year old Klan reference. If you going to hate
me fine. I don't give a rip. What I can't tolerate is laziness in the
process.
I'm giving you a homework assignment. Stop that moaning. I know that
you thought your summer vacation was going to be all fun and games but
it won't kill you to put that X-Box controller down for a couple of
hours.
I want you to post, by Friday July 11, 2003, a short post describing
your deep loathing of me and everything I stand for that is going to
make my blood boil, my eyes pop and make me wet my pants all at the
same time. Its going to take some creativity on your part.Its also
going to take some work. You might even have to use a dictionary and a
thesarus *shiver!*. You'll definitely have to do some research.
Here's a clue for you. Saying something along the lines of "You don't
think just like I do so you're evil!" isn't going to cut it.
Now get cracking. Your time is running. I have faith in you, no. Don't
disappoint me!


--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence.

In article <fo9mgvounqpkr3vkt132bd62eeckk9okt3[at]4ax.com>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

> >> Dear Mayor,
> >>
> >> I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??
> >
> >Think of Mayor as that guy in the white sheet lynching a black man.
>
> Think of no as that black man.
>
> Seriously, is the best you can do? A Klan reference? And its not even
> that. Its a nearly 100 year old Klan reference. If you going to hate
> me fine. I don't give a rip. What I can't tolerate is laziness in the
> process.
> I'm giving you a homework assignment. Stop that moaning. I know that
> you thought your summer vacation was going to be all fun and games but
> it won't kill you to put that X-Box controller down for a couple of
> hours.
> I want you to post, by Friday July 11, 2003, a short post describing
> your deep loathing of me and everything I stand for that is going to
> make my blood boil, my eyes pop and make me wet my pants all at the
> same time. Its going to take some creativity on your part.Its also
> going to take some work. You might even have to use a dictionary and a
> thesarus *shiver!*. You'll definitely have to do some research.
> Here's a clue for you. Saying something along the lines of "You don't
> think just like I do so you're evil!" isn't going to cut it.
> Now get cracking. Your time is running. I have faith in you, no. Don't
> disappoint me!

You're already there. And all this from a mere one-liner!

--
Sandman[.net]

Dwight Stewart:
> Hardly a mention has been made of the recent death of Adam Osborne, the
> computer pioneer who introduced the first portable computer in the very
> early 80's.
> Many may remember his table-top sewing machine case-sized portable with
> five inch B&W monitor, dual floppy drives, and CP/M operating system. Later
> models included a larger color monitor, built-in printer, and other minor
> refinements.
> While hardly a portable by today's standards, the Osborne computer did
> introduce the idea of a portable computer that could be used anywhere. Over
> the next decade, various manufacturers made early attempts to build a
> portable computer, including Apple's first attempt with its expensive LCD
> monitor for the Apple IIc. Those early attempts eventually led to the
> laptops we see today.
> Adam Osborne leaves behind fond memories of those early days of computer
> innovation.
> Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

Yes, indeed. My first computer was an Osborne 1. I was living in
Bangkok and I bought it during a weekend vacation in Hong Kong. It came
with WordStar, SuperCalc, dBase, and Basic. It was rugged and reliable,
and I'll not forget it. And yes, when I brought it through customs in
Bangkok I heard one customs officer say to another "Sewing machine"
(khruang chak yep). At about that time an Osborne Users' Group formed
in Bangkok and I joined. Remarkably, it had over 50 members. It was on
the Osborne that I learned to program in Basic and learned word
processing, relational database programming, and spreadsheet creation.

Thanks, Adam.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

In article <TheSpider-083C69.14045708072003[at]zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com> wrote:

> In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
> > chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> > He died in March. Get over it.
> >
>
>
> Dear Mayor,
>
> I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??

Just as much as all of mayor's posts - no value at all.

On 7/8/2003 3:29 PM, Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:10:16 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> chose to bless us
> with the following wisdom:
>
>
>>In article <TheSpider-083C69.14045708072003[at]zeus-ge0.rdc-kc.rr.com>,
>>Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
>>> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
>>>>chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>He died in March. Get over it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Mayor,
>>>
>>>I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??
>>
>>Think of Mayor as that guy in the white sheet lynching a black man.
>
>
> Think of no as that black man.
>
> Seriously, is the best you can do? A Klan reference? And its not even
> that. Its a nearly 100 year old Klan reference. If you going to hate
> me fine. I don't give a rip. What I can't tolerate is laziness in the
> process.
> I'm giving you a homework assignment. Stop that moaning. I know that
> you thought your summer vacation was going to be all fun and games but
> it won't kill you to put that X-Box controller down for a couple of
> hours.
> I want you to post, by Friday July 11, 2003, a short post describing
> your deep loathing of me and everything I stand for that is going to
> make my blood boil, my eyes pop and make me wet my pants all at the
> same time. Its going to take some creativity on your part.Its also
^^^
It's

> going to take some work. You might even have to use a dictionary and a
> thesarus *shiver!*. You'll definitely have to do some research.
^^^^^^^^
thesaurus

Maybe you should grab the dictionary - no troll should be without one.

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 23:56:38 GMT, no <no[at]no.com> chose to bless us
with the following wisdom:

>In article <fo9mgvounqpkr3vkt132bd62eeckk9okt3[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I want you to post, by Friday July 11, 2003, a short post describing
>> your deep loathing of me and everything I stand for that is going to
>> make my blood boil, my eyes pop and make me wet my pants all at the
>> same time. Its going to take some creativity on your part.Its also
>> going to take some work. You might even have to use a dictionary and a
>> thesarus *shiver!*. You'll definitely have to do some research.
>> Here's a clue for you. Saying something along the lines of "You don't
>> think just like I do so you're evil!" isn't going to cut it.
>> Now get cracking. Your time is running. I have faith in you, no. Don't
>> disappoint me!
>
>No thanks, you arent worth the effort. You win.

I always do. 8)



--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence.

In article <alangbaker-BDF544.22354008072003[at]news.telus.net>,
Alan Baker <alangbaker[at]telus.net> wrote:

> In article <om6mgvk9620ri69b011lpc47e50s8npe7j[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:21:05 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker[at]telus.net>
> > chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> >
> > >In article <3m5mgvk70mcbj1kguvt1ljfi48kv6f5m6i[at]4ax.com>,
> > > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:03:19 GMT, Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com>
> > >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> > >>
> > >> >In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
> > >> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
> > >> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> > >> >
> > >> >> He died in March. Get over it.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >Dear Mayor,
> > >> >
> > >> >I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??
> > >>
> > >> Its pretty self-explanatory.
> > >
> > >Yeah. You're an asshole.
> >
> > Been in the pickle juice again have you Alan?
> > You really should lay off the stuff. It doesn't make you as witty and
> > wise as you think it does.
>
> What would you call someone who makes snide comments in response to
> someone talking about the death of another human being? A good christian?

I get three guesses:
- an asshole
- someone I long since killfiled
- Mayor

--
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Woofbert's Law on Learning Linux: When attempting to learn Linux,
study it thoroughly before you begin.

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 07:02:20 GMT, Woofbert
<woofbert.spam[at]infernosoft.com> chose to bless us with the following
wisdom:

>In article <alangbaker-BDF544.22354008072003[at]news.telus.net>,
> Alan Baker <alangbaker[at]telus.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <om6mgvk9620ri69b011lpc47e50s8npe7j[at]4ax.com>,
>> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:21:05 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker[at]telus.net>
>> > chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>> >
>> > >In article <3m5mgvk70mcbj1kguvt1ljfi48kv6f5m6i[at]4ax.com>,
>> > > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:03:19 GMT, Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com>
>> > >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>> > >>
>> > >> >In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
>> > >> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
>> > >> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> He died in March. Get over it.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Dear Mayor,
>> > >> >
>> > >> >I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??
>> > >>
>> > >> Its pretty self-explanatory.
>> > >
>> > >Yeah. You're an asshole.
>> >
>> > Been in the pickle juice again have you Alan?
>> > You really should lay off the stuff. It doesn't make you as witty and
>> > wise as you think it does.
>>
>> What would you call someone who makes snide comments in response to
>> someone talking about the death of another human being? A good christian?
>
>I get three guesses:
>- an asshole
>- someone I long since killfiled
>- Mayor

You do realize that you look asinine stalking me via proxy don't you,
Woofie?


--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence.

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 05:35:40 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker[at]telus.net>
chose to bless us with the following wisdom:

>In article <om6mgvk9620ri69b011lpc47e50s8npe7j[at]4ax.com>,
> Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:21:05 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker[at]telus.net>
>> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>>
>> >In article <3m5mgvk70mcbj1kguvt1ljfi48kv6f5m6i[at]4ax.com>,
>> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:03:19 GMT, Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com>
>> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
>> >> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
>> >> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>> >> >
>> >> >> He died in March. Get over it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Dear Mayor,
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??
>> >>
>> >> Its pretty self-explanatory.
>> >
>> >Yeah. You're an asshole.
>>
>> Been in the pickle juice again have you Alan?
>> You really should lay off the stuff. It doesn't make you as witty and
>> wise as you think it does.
>
>What would you call someone who makes snide comments in response to
>someone talking about the death of another human being? A good christian?

Alan,
I followed the story of those Iranian sisters geting surgery to be
seperated. Its was shocking and saddening that they both died.
But if I'm still getting all misty eyed over it and start posting
about how sad it is that it isn't the number one topic of conversation
everywhere five months from now feel free to tell me that I need to
get a grip. Tough love is still love.


--

"Whoever is advising them [Democrats] on gun control
should be shot."

Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to
Stop Gun Violence.

In article <kohogv8bqcre88skdpm47qu4660pfmfbv6[at]4ax.com>,
Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 05:35:40 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker[at]telus.net>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <om6mgvk9620ri69b011lpc47e50s8npe7j[at]4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:21:05 GMT, Alan Baker <alangbaker[at]telus.net>
> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> >>
> >> >In article <3m5mgvk70mcbj1kguvt1ljfi48kv6f5m6i[at]4ax.com>,
> >> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:03:19 GMT, Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com>
> >> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
> >> >> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
> >> >> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> He died in March. Get over it.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Dear Mayor,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??
> >> >>
> >> >> Its pretty self-explanatory.
> >> >
> >> >Yeah. You're an asshole.
> >>
> >> Been in the pickle juice again have you Alan?
> >> You really should lay off the stuff. It doesn't make you as witty and
> >> wise as you think it does.
> >
> >What would you call someone who makes snide comments in response to
> >someone talking about the death of another human being? A good christian?
>
> Alan,
> I followed the story of those Iranian sisters geting surgery to be
> seperated. Its was shocking and saddening that they both died.
> But if I'm still getting all misty eyed over it and start posting
> about how sad it is that it isn't the number one topic of conversation
> everywhere five months from now feel free to tell me that I need to
> get a grip. Tough love is still love.

Who's to say the original poster didn't just find out about it...

But more to the point, using someone's post about the death of another
human being as just another opportunity to "riff" is tasteless and the
sort of thing an asshole would do -- all your bullshit about "tough
love" notwithstanding.

Get a life.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3m5mgvk70mcbj1kguvt1ljfi48kv6f5m6i[at]4ax.com>...
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:03:19 GMT, Spider <TheSpider[at]spiderweb.com>
> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >In article <t13mgvchnb53qiisu4eu3gvb3bpodj7qdl[at]4ax.com>,
> > Mayor of R'lyeh <ev515o[at]hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003, Mayor of R'lyeh
> >> chose to bless us with the following wisdom:
>
> >> He died in March. Get over it.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Dear Mayor,
> >
> >I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??
>
> Its pretty self-explanatory.

Clearly, a self-important attempt to put down someone else.

As usual.

"Davoud" wrote:
>
> Yes, indeed. My first computer was an Osborne 1.
> I was living in Bangkok and I bought it during a
> weekend vacation in Hong Kong. It came with
> WordStar, SuperCalc, dBase, and Basic. It was
> rugged and reliable, and I'll not forget it. And
> yes, when I brought it through customs in Bangkok
> I heard one customs officer say to another "Sewing
> machine" (khruang chak yep). At about that time
> an Osborne Users' Group formed in Bangkok and I
> joined. Remarkably, it had over 50 members. It was
> on the Osborne that I learned to program in Basic
> and learned word processing, relational database
> programming, and spreadsheet creation.


Well, looking at some of the other messages, seems the advocacy newsgroup
hasn't changed much. Anyway, I was in Europe when the Osborne came out and
that's where I first saw it. Since I traveled almost constantly, it seemed
the perfect solution. That thing traveled around in the trunk of my car for
many months and continued to work just fine. However, I never carried it
across borders, so I can only imagine the reaction of a customs agent at
seeing what clearly looked like a sewing machine. Lets face it, the typical
person wouldn't carry a sewing machine while traveling. Anyway, the news of
Osborne's death certainly brought back a lot of memories (of the computer
and those times). Take care, Davoud.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Davoud:
> > ...when I brought it through customs in Bangkok
> > I heard one customs officer say to another "Sewing
> > machine" (khruang chak yep).

Dwight Stewart:
> However, I never carried it
> across borders, so I can only imagine the reaction of a customs agent at
> seeing what clearly looked like a sewing machine.

*****

I might have added that at that time (perhaps still) it would not have
been at all unusual for a person arriving in Bangkok from duty-free
Hong Kong to be carrying a sewing machine. High import duties in
Bangkok led many people to travel to HK to buy big-ticket items. Those
of us with diplomatic privileges were exempt from duties, while others
were able to bribe Thai customs officers with amounts far less than the
import duty would have been. I recall the time a low-ranking Thai
customs officer--salaried at less that US$ 40 per month--made the news
with his brand-new Rolls Royce. His purchase of a Rolls would have gone
unnoticed, but the Rolls was hit by a train and destroyed on its maiden
trip home from the port.

I should make this a chapter in my book. My travel experience includes
Indians and Bengalis returning home from duty-free ports with console
model televisions, appliances (refrigerators and gas stoves, e.g.), and
motorcycles as carry-on luggage, for example. Muslim pilgrims enroute
to Mecca starting fires on the aircraft in metal buckets to cook their
meals. They blew up a Saudi airliner this way once. Two Yemenis
knife-fighting on a flight and the flight attendant assuring everyone
that this was normal and not to worry. And on and on. I should be dead.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

Woofbert wrote in
<woofbert.spam-0337BA.14175209072003[at]typhoon.sonic.net>:

>In article <fAYOa.393961$3C2.10815888[at]news3.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> Steven Fisher <sdfisher[at]spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>> Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
>>
>> > You do realize that you look asinine stalking me via proxy don't you,
>> > Woofie?
>>
>> *plonk!*
>>
>
>The annoying thing about ploking someone is that you still get to see
>thir posts through other people's posts. At least now Steven and I won't
>keep infecting each other. }: )

The killfile twins. Strange Usenet phenomenon--two nerds taking
pleasure in having covered their ears to the same person. Who then
then respond to the killfilee obsessively through quoted material. If
I had children who acted like this in public, I'd be ashamed of them.

I hope scientists one day find a cure.

In article <c6kpgv8huuhv3nvs8hkv6nr9pedb2kross[at]4ax.com>,
Steve Hanson <icustomercare[at]usps.com> wrote:

> Dwight Stewart wrote in <BB323820.1E578%stewart[at]say.net>:
>
> >"Mayor of R'lyeh" wrote:
> >
> >> He died in March. Get over it.
> >
> >
> > And I just heard about it, thank you.
>
> Who are you, Unabomber Jr.? When is your PS/2 game coming out?

Does it matter, asshole?

Are you some arbiter of by when people should have found out about
deaths?

Do you get to act like a jerk about the death of another human being
after a certain length of time perhaps?

A week? Two weeks? A month? Three months?

What's the magic figure where you get to start using the death of
someone as a straight line to a lame joke?

Please tell us all.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect
if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."

Alan Baker wrote in <alangbaker-F3EFBC.14203610072003[at]news.telus.net>:

>In article <c6kpgv8huuhv3nvs8hkv6nr9pedb2kross[at]4ax.com>,
> Steve Hanson <icustomercare[at]usps.com> wrote:
>
>> Dwight Stewart wrote in <BB323820.1E578%stewart[at]say.net>:
>>
>> >"Mayor of R'lyeh" wrote:
>> >
>> >> He died in March. Get over it.
>> >
>> >
>> > And I just heard about it, thank you.
>>
>> Who are you, Unabomber Jr.? When is your PS/2 game coming out?
>
>Does it matter, asshole?
>
>Are you some arbiter of by when people should have found out about
>deaths?

Are you some arbiter of what kind of humor everyone is supposed to
find funny?

Sad day that would be, given what a witless bore you are. I guess
you'd allow people to smile at old Bob Hope wisecracks, but it's hard
to find anything like a sense of humor in your unbelievably earnest
and dour postings on csma.

"Davoud" wrote:
>
> I might have added that at that time (perhaps
> still) it would not have been at all unusual
> for a person arriving in Bangkok from duty-free
> Hong Kong to be carrying a sewing machine. High
> import duties in Bangkok led many people to
> travel to HK to buy big-ticket items. (snip)


The only place I've seen that was while traveling from Southern Florida to
Puerto Rico. It always amazed me to see the amount of stuff some people
would carry with them (major household appliances and so on). However, to a
lesser extent, I saw something like this while traveling on a ferry from
Istanbul to Izmit (across the Sea of Marmara in Turkey). Many would go to
Istanbul to buy things not available in their hometown. The most impressive
sight was a beautiful large grand piano on the back of a tiny, truly ancient
looking, rusted old automobile.


> (snip) Those of us with diplomatic privileges
> were exempt from duties, while others were
> able to bribe Thai customs officers with amounts
> far less than the import duty would have been.
> I recall the time a low-ranking Thai customs
> officer--salaried at less that US$ 40 per month-
> -made the news with his brand-new Rolls Royce.
> His purchase of a Rolls would have gone
> unnoticed, but the Rolls was hit by a train and
> destroyed on its maiden trip home from the port.


LOL. Obviously, the bribe business was very lucrative around there.


> (snip) I should make this a chapter in my book.
> My travel experience includes Indians and Bengalis
> returning home from duty-free ports with console
> model televisions, appliances (refrigerators and
> gas stoves, e.g.), and motorcycles as carry-on
> luggage, for example. Muslim pilgrims enroute
> to Mecca starting fires on the aircraft in metal
> buckets to cook their meals. They blew up a Saudi
> airliner this way once. Two Yemenis knife-fighting
> on a flight and the flight attendant assuring
> everyone that this was normal and not to worry.
> And on and on. I should be dead.


I see you've traveled overseas extensively also. Did you enjoy your
experiences? Even though I can't leave for another couple of years, I'm
planning my next trip now.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Alan Baker" wrote:
>
> Steve Hanson wrote:
>>
>> Who are you, Unabomber Jr.? When is your PS/2
>> game coming out?
>
> Does it matter, asshole?
>
> Are you some arbiter of by when people should
> have found out about deaths?


Don't worry about it, Alan. If I were "Unabomber Jr.," I'd be finishing
off a package to send to Steve right now. Since I'm not, his comments are
too insignificant to even think twice about - the same with Steve himself
for that matter.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

In article <v5otgv49gnkh2fpt3iomkbsg4at571p6af[at]4ax.com>,
Steve Hanson <icustomercare[at]usps.com> wrote:

> Alan Baker wrote in <alangbaker-F3EFBC.14203610072003[at]news.telus.net>:
>
> >In article <c6kpgv8huuhv3nvs8hkv6nr9pedb2kross[at]4ax.com>,
> > Steve Hanson <icustomercare[at]usps.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Dwight Stewart wrote in <BB323820.1E578%stewart[at]say.net>:
> >>
> >> >"Mayor of R'lyeh" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> He died in March. Get over it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > And I just heard about it, thank you.
> >>
> >> Who are you, Unabomber Jr.? When is your PS/2 game coming out?
> >
> >Does it matter, asshole?
> >
> >Are you some arbiter of by when people should have found out about
> >deaths?
>
> Are you some arbiter of what kind of humor everyone is supposed to
> find funny?
>
> Sad day that would be, given what a witless bore you are. I guess
> you'd allow people to smile at old Bob Hope wisecracks, but it's hard
> to find anything like a sense of humor in your unbelievably earnest
> and dour postings on csma.

In other words, "Lighten up, asshole, or I'll beat you to a bloody
pulp!"

--
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Woofbert's Law on Learning Linux: When attempting to learn Linux,
study it thoroughly before you begin.

Spider wrote:


>I'm not sure of what value your posting is/was??

What he was probably (and untactfully) trying to say was that Osborne,
while he had a big effect on the industry back in his day, had nothing to
do with Apple or Macs, which is why you've seen little or nothing posted
here about him.

Go take a look at alt.folklore.computers--there's lots there on Osborne.

"Jerry Gardner" wrote:
>
> What he was probably (and untactfully) trying
> to say was that Osborne, while he had a big
> effect on the industry back in his day, had
> nothing to do with Apple or Macs, (snip)


I disagree. Since at least two of us (Mac users) are talking about it,
obviously the Osborne computer did have something to do with the people
here. Some of us (Mac users) were around back then, so it really shouldn't
surprise anyone that we might reminisce occasionally about those earlier
days of the computer industry. Do we really have to run off to another
newsgroup to do so - are Mac users so determined to isolate themselves from
the rest of the computer world?


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

In article <BB351901.1E91A%stewart[at]say.net>,
Dwight Stewart <stewart[at]say.net> wrote:

> "Jerry Gardner" wrote:
> >
> > What he was probably (and untactfully) trying
> > to say was that Osborne, while he had a big
> > effect on the industry back in his day, had
> > nothing to do with Apple or Macs, (snip)
>
>
> I disagree. Since at least two of us (Mac users) are talking about it,
> obviously the Osborne computer did have something to do with the people
> here. Some of us (Mac users) were around back then, so it really shouldn't
> surprise anyone that we might reminisce occasionally about those earlier
> days of the computer industry. Do we really have to run off to another
> newsgroup to do so - are Mac users so determined to isolate themselves from
> the rest of the computer world?

Moreover, complaining about the occaisonal mention of the Osborne One is
silly given how much mention there is day in and day out of that obscure
computer based on a 32-bit extension of a 16-bit kludge of the Osborne's
8-bit operating system.

--
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Woofbert's Law on Learning Linux: When attempting to learn Linux,
study it thoroughly before you begin.

In article <dreibel-5F3ECE.10130012072003[at]nr-ott01.bellnexxia.net>,
Daniel Dreibelbis <dreibel[at]sympatico.ca> wrote:

> In article <woofbert.spam-49622C.23155311072003[at]typhoon.sonic.net>,
> Woofbert <woofbert.spam[at]infernosoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Moreover, complaining about the occaisonal mention of the Osborne One is
> > silly given how much mention there is day in and day out of that obscure
> > computer based on a 32-bit extension of a 16-bit kludge of the Osborne's
> > 8-bit operating system.
>
> you forgot to add

Yes, I did. I wanted to end it on the reference to the Osborne One and
CP/M.

> "worth only four bits,

I thought it was "compatible with a four-bit microprocessor," the 4004.

> produced by a two-bit
> company who can't stand one bit of competition" ;)

--
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Woofbert's Law on Learning Linux: When attempting to learn Linux,
study it thoroughly before you begin.

Woofbert wrote in
<woofbert.spam-9FC18F.15141411072003[at]typhoon.sonic.net>:

>In article <v5otgv49gnkh2fpt3iomkbsg4at571p6af[at]4ax.com>,
> Steve Hanson <icustomercare[at]usps.com> wrote:
>
>> Alan Baker wrote in <alangbaker-F3EFBC.14203610072003[at]news.telus.net>:
>>
>> >In article <c6kpgv8huuhv3nvs8hkv6nr9pedb2kross[at]4ax.com>,
>> > Steve Hanson <icustomercare[at]usps.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dwight Stewart wrote in <BB323820.1E578%stewart[at]say.net>:
>> >>
>> >> >"Mayor of R'lyeh" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> He died in March. Get over it.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > And I just heard about it, thank you.
>> >>
>> >> Who are you, Unabomber Jr.? When is your PS/2 game coming out?
>> >
>> >Does it matter, asshole?
>> >
>> >Are you some arbiter of by when people should have found out about
>> >deaths?
>>
>> Are you some arbiter of what kind of humor everyone is supposed to
>> find funny?
>>
>> Sad day that would be, given what a witless bore you are. I guess
>> you'd allow people to smile at old Bob Hope wisecracks, but it's hard
>> to find anything like a sense of humor in your unbelievably earnest
>> and dour postings on csma.
>
>In other words, "Lighten up, asshole, or I'll beat you to a bloody
>pulp!"

Should be "and", not "or". ;-)

Dwight Stewart wrote in <BB347EB0.1E782%stewart[at]say.net>:

>"Alan Baker" wrote:
>>
>> Steve Hanson wrote:
>>>
>>> Who are you, Unabomber Jr.? When is your PS/2
>>> game coming out?
>>
>> Does it matter, asshole?
>>
>> Are you some arbiter of by when people should
>> have found out about deaths?
>
>
> Don't worry about it, Alan. If I were "Unabomber Jr.," I'd be finishing
>off a package to send to Steve right now. Since I'm not, his comments are
>too insignificant to even think twice about - the same with Steve himself
>for that matter.

Whoops! You just thought about them!

ROTFL

Dwight Stewart wrote in <BB347CE8.1E780%stewart[at]say.net>:

> I see you've traveled overseas extensively also. Did you enjoy your
>experiences? Even though I can't leave for another couple of years, I'm
>planning my next trip now.

Prison?

Daniel Dreibelbis wrote in
<dreibel-5F3ECE.10130012072003[at]nr-ott01.bellnexxia.net>:

>In article <woofbert.spam-49622C.23155311072003[at]typhoon.sonic.net>,
> Woofbert <woofbert.spam[at]infernosoft.com> wrote:
>
>> Moreover, complaining about the occaisonal mention of the Osborne One is
>> silly given how much mention there is day in and day out of that obscure
>> computer based on a 32-bit extension of a 16-bit kludge of the Osborne's
>> 8-bit operating system.
>
> you forgot to add "worth only four bits, produced by a two-bit
>company who can't stand one bit of competition" ;)

This is wit as defined by dreary OS evangelists: parroting a line
someone else told you over and over again with a smiley at the end.
God almighty I can sense the ghost of a million uninspired dinner
speech "jokes", please someone drive them away!

In article <h7n5hv89o7neqgmsb53bnghgcm2vogvbnv[at]4ax.com>,
Steve Hanson <icustomercare[at]usps.com> wrote:

> Daniel Dreibelbis wrote in
> <dreibel-5F3ECE.10130012072003[at]nr-ott01.bellnexxia.net>:
>
> >In article <woofbert.spam-49622C.23155311072003[at]typhoon.sonic.net>,
> > Woofbert <woofbert.spam[at]infernosoft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Moreover, complaining about the occaisonal mention of the Osborne One is
> >> silly given how much mention there is day in and day out of that obscure
> >> computer based on a 32-bit extension of a 16-bit kludge of the Osborne's
> >> 8-bit operating system.
> >
> > you forgot to add "worth only four bits, produced by a two-bit
> >company who can't stand one bit of competition" ;)
>
> This is wit as defined by dreary OS evangelists: parroting a line
> someone else told you over and over again with a smiley at the end.
> God almighty I can sense the ghost of a million uninspired dinner
> speech "jokes", please someone drive them away!

<mode=right-wing-extremist>
Lighten up, [dammit]!
</mode>

--
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Woofbert's Law on Learning Linux: When attempting to learn Linux,
study it thoroughly before you begin.

Woofbert <woofbert.spam[at]infernosoft.com> wrote:

> In article <fAYOa.393961$3C2.10815888[at]news3.calgary.shaw.ca>,
> Steven Fisher <sdfisher[at]spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> > Mayor of R'lyeh wrote:
> >
> > > You do realize that you look asinine stalking me via proxy don't you,
> > > Woofie?
> >
> > *plonk!*
> >
>
> The annoying thing about ploking someone is that you still get to see
> thir posts through other people's posts. At least now Steven and I won't
> keep infecting each other. }: )

some people have the ability to turn every thread into an argument, just
create a rule that kills the thread completely and your problem is
solved.

Woofbert:
> ...It takes (at least) two people to have an argument.

*****

I would argue with that. If I say to myself "f(x)=y" that is an
argument, too.

Davoud

--
usenet *at* davidillig dawt com

In article <h7n5hv89o7neqgmsb53bnghgcm2vogvbnv[at]4ax.com>, Steve Hanson <icustomercare[at]usps.com> wrote:

> This is wit as defined by dreary OS evangelists: parroting a line
> someone else told you over and over again with a smiley at the end.
> God almighty I can sense the ghost of a million uninspired dinner
> speech "jokes", please someone drive them away!

In article <v5otgv49gnkh2fpt3iomkbsg4at571p6af[at]4ax.com>, Steve Hanson <icustomercare[at]usps.com> wrote:

> Are you some arbiter of what kind of humor everyone is supposed to
> find funny?
>
> Sad day that would be, given what a witless bore you are. I guess
> you'd allow people to smile at old Bob Hope wisecracks, but it's hard
> to find anything like a sense of humor in your unbelievably earnest
> and dour postings on csma.

Interesting - Steve was able to post a suitable response to his own
posting on this same thread *three days in advance*. Pure genius!

--
Jim Glidewell
My opinions only

In article <150720031441089589%star[at]sky.net>, Davoud <star[at]sky.net>
wrote:

> Woofbert:
> > ...It takes (at least) two people to have an argument.
>
> *****
>
> I would argue with that. If I say to myself "f(x)=y" that is an
> argument, too.

No, that's not an argument; it's a statement. x is the argument to f().

Dammit, now we're arguing. So I guess it is an argument. Okay, you're
right after all.

--
Woofbert, Chief Rocket Surgeon, Infernosoft
Woofbert's Law on Learning Linux: When attempting to learn Linux,
study it thoroughly before you begin.

Woofbert <woofbert.spam[at]infernosoft.com> wrote:

> > > The annoying thing about ploking someone is that you still get to see
> > > thir posts through other people's posts. At least now Steven and I won't
> > > keep infecting each other. }: )
> >
> > some people have the ability to turn every thread into an argument,
>
> No, they don't! It takes (at least) two people to have an argument.

two people to have one, one to start it

> And what are you doing here -- have you run out of facts? Is that why you
> can't address the topic of discussion? }: )

what do you mean run out?, i never started stating any

> > just
> > create a rule that kills the thread completely and your problem is
> > solved.
>
> There is a universal one, but it has many exceptions. Look up "Godwin's
> Law." Like the umbrella you bring to work so it won't rain, deliberately
> invoking Hitler or the Nazis won't end a thread. }: )

i dont think goodwin's law applies, you wouldn have to be a participant
in the argument yourself, and if so, you probably want to win.
on the other hand if you happen to know that a person will most likely
ruin every thread he/she takes part in the killing everything method is
not really that bad.
if there was a 90% chance of rain every day you would bring an umbrella
too wouldn't you?