Do any of the Mac e-mail programs provide user privacy -- in other
words, when you launch the program, it ask who you are, and you must
supply a password, before it opens any windows where mail can be read
or opened? (Or that doesn't allow you to open already retrieved e-mail
without a password?)

I now use Office X Entourage, but all it provides for is separate
identities. You cannot send or retrieve another users e-mails, because
each identity can have its own password for sending and retrieving
mail. But anyone can read the mail already retreived and stored by any
identity. (I think Eudora calls these personalities, but it doesn't
appear to have any way to make the mail of an identity private,
either.)

I'm looking for an e-mail progam that not only allows you to create
separte identities (or pesonalities) for e-mail, but which also
protects the content of each identity you may create.

Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Steve

In article <280620030004379858%steve[at]nospam.net>,
Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:

> I'm looking for an e-mail progam that not only allows you to create
> separte identities (or pesonalities) for e-mail, but which also
> protects the content of each identity you may create.

That's what different users are for. You log in as you, you get access
to your files. Your wife logs in as her, she gets access to *her* files.

--
Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction!

In article <howard-9DD6EE.05010328062003[at]enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S
Shubs <howard[at]shubs.net> wrote:

> In article <280620030004379858%steve[at]nospam.net>,
> Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for an e-mail progam that not only allows you to create
> > separte identities (or pesonalities) for e-mail, but which also
> > protects the content of each identity you may create.
>
> That's what different users are for. You log in as you, you get access
> to your files. Your wife logs in as her, she gets access to *her* files.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Yes, I understand that if I log
out of OS X, then no one can get to my stuff, but if I've logged in,
and my machine is sitting there, there's nothing to keep someone from
double-clicking Entourage and reading my mail. In other words, I need
a gatekeeper at the e-mail level, not just at the OS level. Entourage
does allow different identities, but it does not require you to enter a
password to activate any particular identity. That's what I'm looking
for.

So, unless I have misunderstood something, is there an e-mail program
that does what I'm looking for: requre a password before it show
*anyone* any files?

thanks very much for your time,
steve

Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> writes:

> In article <howard-9DD6EE.05010328062003[at]enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S
> Shubs <howard[at]shubs.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <280620030004379858%steve[at]nospam.net>,
> > Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking for an e-mail progam that not only allows you to create
> > > separte identities (or pesonalities) for e-mail, but which also
> > > protects the content of each identity you may create.
> >
> > That's what different users are for. You log in as you, you get access
> > to your files. Your wife logs in as her, she gets access to *her* files.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to reply. Yes, I understand that if I log
> out of OS X, then no one can get to my stuff, but if I've logged in,
> and my machine is sitting there, there's nothing to keep someone from
> double-clicking Entourage and reading my mail.

Go to 'Screen Effects', set the time until screen effects starts short
enough, and activate 'Use my user account password'. Viola, not only
your mail, but all your docs are save now.

Worried about the time between the moment you leave the machine and
the moment Screen Effects pop in? Use a 'Hot Corner' to activate
screen effects manually.

HTH,

Matthias

In article <x94znk273ti.fsf[at]pcopc24.cern.ch>, Matthias Schroeder
<Matthias.Schroder[at]cern.ch> wrote:

> Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> writes:
>
> > In article <howard-9DD6EE.05010328062003[at]enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S
> > Shubs <howard[at]shubs.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <280620030004379858%steve[at]nospam.net>,
> > > Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm looking for an e-mail progam that not only allows you to create
> > > > separte identities (or pesonalities) for e-mail, but which also
> > > > protects the content of each identity you may create.
> > >
> > > That's what different users are for. You log in as you, you get access
> > > to your files. Your wife logs in as her, she gets access to *her* files.
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to reply. Yes, I understand that if I log
> > out of OS X, then no one can get to my stuff, but if I've logged in,
> > and my machine is sitting there, there's nothing to keep someone from
> > double-clicking Entourage and reading my mail.
>
> Go to 'Screen Effects', set the time until screen effects starts short
> enough, and activate 'Use my user account password'. Viola, not only
> your mail, but all your docs are save now.
>
> Worried about the time between the moment you leave the machine and
> the moment Screen Effects pop in? Use a 'Hot Corner' to activate
> screen effects manually.
>
> HTH,
>
> Matthias
>

Thanks for taking the time to reply. That's a good suggestion, and is
definitely a good interim solution. But it's odd, isn't it, that no
one (apparently) has made an e-mail program for that had the built in
privacy feature I'm seeking. I guess most just figure the"users"
feature and people having their own machines takes care of that.

Still, it'd be a nice feature to add to Mail, Entourage, or Eudora.

Steve

In article <280620030657429924%steve[at]nospam.net>,
Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:

> In article <howard-9DD6EE.05010328062003[at]enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S
> Shubs <howard[at]shubs.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <280620030004379858%steve[at]nospam.net>,
> > Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking for an e-mail progam that not only allows you to create
> > > separte identities (or pesonalities) for e-mail, but which also
> > > protects the content of each identity you may create.
> >
> > That's what different users are for. You log in as you, you get access
> > to your files. Your wife logs in as her, she gets access to *her* files.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to reply. Yes, I understand that if I log
> out of OS X, then no one can get to my stuff, but if I've logged in,
> and my machine is sitting there, there's nothing to keep someone from
> double-clicking Entourage and reading my mail. In other words, I need
> a gatekeeper at the e-mail level, not just at the OS level. Entourage
> does allow different identities, but it does not require you to enter a
> password to activate any particular identity. That's what I'm looking
> for.
>
> So, unless I have misunderstood something, is there an e-mail program
> that does what I'm looking for: requre a password before it show
> *anyone* any files?

I can't think of anything that does what you want the way you want.
However, you can set your screensaver (in Screen Effects) so that it
won't deactivate without a password.

--
AF
"Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
--artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball

In article <howard-4A5E60.11240328062003[at]enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S
Shubs <howard[at]shubs.net> wrote:

> The feature you're asking for isn't a function that a mail program
> should have to provide.

I'm not sure that's self-evident, but I respect your viewpoint. Thanks
for taking the time to share it.

In article <afaber-30E2F6.12044028062003[at]reader1.panix.com>, Alice
Faber <afaber[at]panix.com> wrote:

>
> I can't think of anything that does what you want the way you want.
> However, you can set your screensaver (in Screen Effects) so that it
> won't deactivate without a password.

Yes, thanks, I'm definitely going to follow up on this great tip!

In article <0001HW.BB23408B000DB491F0284600[at]news.earthlink.net>, James
L. Ryan <taliesinsoft[at]mac.com> wrote:

> Methinks the capability you want will, in effect, be provided with Panther
> where you can quickly switch between identities. Hang in there until
> December!

Isn't Panther exciting! I watched the whole Jobs QuickTime
presentation, and I was blown away by the new features in Panther. The
audience couldn't keep itself from ooohing and breaking into laughter
and applause when he demo'd the identiy switch function. (The humor in
him pointing out that Windoze doing switching first was not lost on
everyone. Leave it to Apple to make identity switching totally cool!)

I also think that the Expose feature is going to be my favorite new
feature. Juggling and shifting throug windows with half a dozen
programs running wastes a lot time, Windoze or Mac. Once you see
Expose demoed, you wonder why no one has done it before -- did it take
the horsepower of Quartz Extreme to pull it off, I wonder?

Anway, Panther is "da bomb." I am eagerly looking forward to it. And
by the time I can afford another machine, next year, the G5 will still
be the fastest personal computer *and* it will probably be running at 3
Ghz or more. Life is good for us Apple users!

Best wishes,
Steve

In article <280620031322114083%steve[at]nospam.net>, Steven Fair
<steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:

€ > The feature you're asking for isn't a function that a mail program
€ > should have to provide.
€
€ I'm not sure that's self-evident, but I respect your viewpoint. Thanks
€ for taking the time to share it.

It certainly is.

This sounds to me like you're new to computers.

You might consider learning more about them and how they work in the
real world before you start suggesting ways to improve them.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

In article <bdl6hq$hcq$2[at]216.39.146.232>, Jammer Six
<jammer[at]invalid.oz.net> wrote:

> In article <280620031322114083%steve[at]nospam.net>, Steven Fair
> <steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:
>
> € > The feature you're asking for isn't a function that a mail program
> € > should have to provide.
> €
> € I'm not sure that's self-evident, but I respect your viewpoint. Thanks
> € for taking the time to share it.
>
> It certainly is.
>
> This sounds to me like you're new to computers.
>
> You might consider learning more about them and how they work in the
> real world before you start suggesting ways to improve them.

Thank you for your kind suggestion.

In article <280620032023562388%steve[at]nospam.net>,
Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:

> Thank you for your kind suggestion.

The issue is security, and the answer is *not* each program having its
own security solution. The answer is provided by the system software.
You need, it seems to me, to learn how to make use of that.

That's related to the issue of "consistancy" and not having to reinvent
the wheel every day. Security issues like this are handled by the OS.
You've been told about the methods involved in using those facilities.
It's like this on the Mac, the Windows boxen, the large OSs used in
production shops, and older systems.

Securing e-mail all by itself makes little sense.

--
Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction!

In article <howard-A25361.22104828062003[at]enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S
Shubs <howard[at]shubs.net> wrote:

> The issue is security, and the answer is *not* each program having its
> own security solution

That's interesting. I guess I had better not use my password any more
on Notepad Deluxe! And I guess I better stop using passwords in Word!
No need for each program to have its *own* security solution, if the
programmer or user wants that. Oh, and I guess I had better stop using
PGP -- it provides a security solution for a *whole bunch* of programs.
Naughty, naughty! Oh, and I almost forgot, also better toss SecureFM
for FileMaker Pro! You're right. Better leave all security to the
system! We newcomers have so much to learn.

In article <280620032319116747%steve[at]nospam.net>, Steven Fair
<steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:

€ We newcomers have so much to learn.

We know.

--
"Let's roll!"
-Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

In article <280620032319116747%steve[at]nospam.net>,
Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:

> Better leave all security to the
> system! We newcomers have so much to learn.

Yup, eventually, you'll get it.

--
Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction!

Alice Faber <afaber[at]panix.com> wrote:

> I can't think of anything that does what you want the way you want.
> However, you can set your screensaver (in Screen Effects) so that it
> won't deactivate without a password.

And don't forget to desactivate the auto-login feature, otherwise I
guess that a simple reboot allows access to your files again, bypassing
the password-protected screen saver.

--
Serge Pajak

In article <0001HW.BB24E71604A988D7F0284600[at]news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket[at]tesseract.com.au> wrote:

> The difference between it and Eudora etc is the target audience -
> Notes is intended for medium to large business and government
> organisations rather than individuals/families. [And consequently
> requires a fairly beefy investment in hardware and software]

Yeah, I've heard of Lotus Notes. It's definitely not something I'd
recommend for a single user. <grin> Didn't know it had that kind of
security, though. There are a few products which compete with it, too.

--
Today, on Paper-view: Pulp Fiction!

In article <0001HW.BB24E71604A988D7F0284600[at]news.ozemail.com.au>,
Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket[at]tesseract.com.au> wrote:

> Lotus Notes (Mac, Windows, unices).
> Though it's far more than an email app, and requires such security
> because of its wider abilities.
>
> User would provide password at launch, user could specify how long
> before inactivity triggered reverification of ID, user could
> immediately activate the need for reverification (F5, if memory
> serves). User could give various permissions to other users or
> groups of users, user could encrypt mail on the server to ensure
> people like me couldn't read it :-).

Martin,

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Actually, I use Lotus Notes at
the publishing company I work for, and as you describe, you have to
supply a password to use the program when it first starts up on your
individual machine.

Alas, it's also just a clunky to use as you describe and not, as you
point out, a very good indivdual solution.

I don't know if it's been ported to OSX, but on OS 9 I used Intego's
FileGuard, and it allowed me to do exactly what I'm looking for. With
File Guard running, you can require a password on virtually anything
you want to open or use-- files, apps, folders, whatever. It was
pretty nifty, but prone to bugs, at least in my experience. OSX has
obviously obviated much of, if not all of, the need for something like
File Guard, as Mr. Shubs has so kindly and intelligently pointed out.

Of course, for other very simple kinds of security, not provided by the
System, I just use Stuffit Dexluxe to encrypt with password. I've also
been thiking about looking into SubRosa's nice suite of security
utilities, which provide some heavy-duty encryption.

Thanks again for helping,

Best wishes,
Steve

In article <280620030004379858%steve[at]nospam.net>, Steven Fair
<steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:

> Do any of the Mac e-mail programs provide user privacy -- in other
> words, when you launch the program, it ask who you are, and you must
> supply a password, before it opens any windows where mail can be read
> or opened? (Or that doesn't allow you to open already retrieved e-mail
> without a password?)
>
> I now use Office X Entourage, but all it provides for is separate
> identities. You cannot send or retrieve another users e-mails, because
> each identity can have its own password for sending and retrieving
> mail. But anyone can read the mail already retreived and stored by any
> identity. (I think Eudora calls these personalities, but it doesn't
> appear to have any way to make the mail of an identity private,
> either.)
>
> I'm looking for an e-mail progam that not only allows you to create
> separte identities (or pesonalities) for e-mail, but which also
> protects the content of each identity you may create.
>
> Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
> Steve

With SweetMail, you can create a 'Mailbox' for each user. Only mail
that pertains to that user is in the mailbox [a folder] and only
accounts in that mailbox are checked when it is active. Each user
launches the app by launching their mailbox. If you protect each
mailbox the way you would protect any personal file, you don't even
have to enter a password when checking mail if you don't want to. Each
can only download and see their own mail.

I don't think the product is supported anymore but there is an OSX Vs.
SweetMail doesn't do html but there's an anti-spam benefit to that. I
prefer to launch html mail in my browser first anyway - offline. I get
about 2 spams a month and I delete them from the server without
downloading them by using the Remote Mail option. It also has plenty
of bells and whistles: threaded view, filters, templates, search ALL
messages by keword in the address, subject or content, view only Unread
Mail, smart unwrap/rewrap of quoted text, modify quotation levels,
reassign threads... etc., etc., and I don't think it is crippleware.

In article <290620031310061747%steve[at]nospam.net>,
Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:

> I don't know if it's been ported to OSX, but on OS 9 I used Intego's
> FileGuard, and it allowed me to do exactly what I'm looking for. With

I cannot tell whether this helps you but are you aware of the file
encryption available in Mac OSX?

You can create a disk image (eg 10 MB) that is encrypted with AES (good
enough for most people).
Now when you mount this volume, you have to supply a passphrase.
You can put any files in this volume, also eg your favorite e-mail
programme's files.

In combination with automatically locking the screen (also hot corner)
and requiring a passphrase when loggin in, this protects any file rather
well.

If anyone restarts your system, your encrypted volume will be just that
- encrypted.

From information about next Mac OSX release (Panther, 10.3) you will be
able to encrypt your home directory, making it even simpler.

HTH

Marc

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In article <1fxa9d0.atjypn1o7kk4oN%serge[at]alussinan.org>, Serge Pajak
<serge[at]alussinan.org> wrote:

> And don't forget to desactivate the auto-login feature, otherwise I
> guess that a simple reboot allows access to your files again, bypassing
> the password-protected screen saver.

Thanks, I would have forgotten that, I'm sure.

Steve

On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 0:38:09 +1000, Howard S Shubs wrote
(in message <howard-6484F0.10380629062003[at]enews.newsguy.com>):

> In article <0001HW.BB24E71604A988D7F0284600[at]news.ozemail.com.au>,
> Martin Crisp <Spam.Bucket[at]tesseract.com.au> wrote:
>
>> The difference between it and Eudora etc is the target audience -
>> Notes is intended for medium to large business and government
>> organisations rather than individuals/families. [And consequently
>> requires a fairly beefy investment in hardware and software]
>
> Yeah, I've heard of Lotus Notes. It's definitely not something I'd
> recommend for a single user. <grin>

:-) Likewise.

> Didn't know it had that kind of security, though. There are a
> few products which compete with it, too.

Because it's so much more than an email client [allowing approval
of electronic forms and other 'workflow' applications], proof of
identity is an integral part of a Notes installation. [As is a
decent security policy in the organisation that installs it.]

Have Fun
Martin
--
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Almost always SMASHed

Matthias Schroeder <Matthias.Schroder[at]cern.ch> writes:
> Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> writes:
> > Shubs <howard[at]shubs.net> wrote:
> > > Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> wrote:

> > > > I'm looking for an e-mail progam that not only allows you to create
> > > > separte identities (or pesonalities) for e-mail, but which also

> > > That's what different users are for. You log in as you, you get access
> > > to your files. Your wife logs in as her, she gets access to *her* files.

> > out of OS X, then no one can get to my stuff, but if I've logged in,
> > and my machine is sitting there, there's nothing to keep someone from
>
> Go to 'Screen Effects', set the time until screen effects starts short
> enough, and activate 'Use my user account password'. Viola, not only
> your mail, but all your docs are save now.

Or, additionally, go to Applications->Utilities->Keychain Access
and activate the Keychain Status menuBar icon (View->Show Status).
The Keychain icon/manu gives you immediate access to both Lock Screen
and Lock User Keychain.

It's a little odd that Apple' buried Lock Screen in _there_, but it
is available and very helpful. I usually lock my screen when I
step away from my desk at the office. And I very much prefer the
menu to using a Hot Corner since it's too easy to accidentally
trigger the Hot Corner.





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Steven Fair <steve[at]nospam.net> writes:

> In article <howard-4A5E60.11240328062003[at]enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S
> Shubs <howard[at]shubs.net> wrote:
>
> > The feature you're asking for isn't a function that a mail program
> > should have to provide.
>
> I'm not sure that's self-evident, but I respect your viewpoint. Thanks
> for taking the time to share it.

It's a user/security issue, not an e-mail-specific issue.

Nevertheless, another possibility, if you're opposed to using
Users for what they were made for, is to use webmail instead
of local mail.

If each of you got an account at, say, Fastmail.FM (or some
other respectiable mail service provider with a decent webmail
interface), then you log on via your web browser, read your
mail to your heart's content, close your browser and you're
good to go - just don't store your password in the Keychain...

Actually, that leads to a third possibility - any decent e-mail
client should allow for you to not have it keep your password
but, instead, allow you to have to type it in each time it
hits the server. If your mail is sitting on an IMAP mail
server and you tell your client not to cache in messages
(or at least message bodies), then when you want to check
or read your mail, you'll have to give it your mail account
password. When you quit the program, since you've told it
not to remember that account's password, if someone else
starts it up, they won't see your mail.

But the key to that really doing what you want is IMAP and
server-based mail storage, rather than POP and local mail
storage. Which is a good thing anyway.

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Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow?
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If you Quit your email program after checking or sending mail, and
disable your email password(s) from the keychain, you'll need to enter
them each time when you start the email program again. This won't
protect your mailboxes, but will prevent someone from accessing new
mail.

GK

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In article <yobisqnmzqp.fsf[at]panix1.panix.com>,
<BreadWithSpam[at]fractious.net> wrote:

> Or, additionally, go to Applications->Utilities->Keychain Access
> and activate the Keychain Status menuBar icon (View->Show Status).
> The Keychain icon/manu gives you immediate access to both Lock Screen
> and Lock User Keychain.

Whoa, now that's way cool! I had no idea that little app existed!

Many thanks!
Steve