I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive, so I
am looking for recommendations -- I primarily want to make an 80GB
partition so I can use Carbon Copy Cloner to back up my master drive.

I've read good things about Seagate drives (especially their being
quiet), but also IBM/Hitatchi's model 180GXP with an 8MB buffer.

Anyone have experiences with either of these two drives?

Also, do I need to buy any cables with my drive, or are necessary cables
already inside my Mac?

Sara Garland wrote:
> I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
> Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive, so
> I am looking for recommendations -- I primarily want to make an 80GB
> partition so I can use Carbon Copy Cloner to back up my master drive.
>
> I've read good things about Seagate drives (especially their being
> quiet), but also IBM/Hitatchi's model 180GXP with an 8MB buffer.
>
> Anyone have experiences with either of these two drives?
>
> Also, do I need to buy any cables with my drive, or are necessary
> cables already inside my Mac?


Get a Western Digital drive. By far the best most reliable drives on the
market.

In article <1g0o4vl.1iplriz5baw92N%no_email_address[at]hotmail.com>,
no_email_address[at]hotmail.com (Sara Garland) wrote:

> I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
> Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive, so I
> am looking for recommendations -- I primarily want to make an 80GB
> partition so I can use Carbon Copy Cloner to back up my master drive.
>
> I've read good things about Seagate drives (especially their being
> quiet), but also IBM/Hitatchi's model 180GXP with an 8MB buffer.
>
> Anyone have experiences with either of these two drives?
>
> Also, do I need to buy any cables with my drive, or are necessary cables
> already inside my Mac?
>

Most major drives are fine. The IBM/Hitatchi's GXP line obviously is a
bit faster due to it's large buffer, but unless you deal with huge
files, I doubt that you would notice the difference.

You won't need any cables, but you might need some standard PC mounting
screws to mount the drive. They usually aren't supplied with the drive,
but you should be able to buy them (or, if your store has an in-house
tech center (for installing RAM, etc) you could ask them for a few, they
might just give them to you.

You will, OTOH, need to set your new drive to be a 'slave' before you
install it. Go to the drive you buy's web site (usually on the drive
lable somewhere, or use a search engine) to see how to set the jumpers
on the drive. It's really quite simple. Then, shut down the computer,
remove the drive sled in the bottom of the case, and screw the drive to
the sled using at least two screws (diagonally) replace the tray, and
connect the power plug (the small white one with the big pins) and then
the wide ribbon cable with the black connector. Notice that the
connector has a 'key' or raised platform in the middle on one side. Line
this up with the keyway on the drive' connector and gently push the
connector into place. That's it!

Upon boot, launch the Disk Utility (HD/Applications/Utilities/Disk
Utility) and the new drive should show-up by manufacturer's designation
in the far left column of that application. Select it, and from the
window on the right, select the 'Partition' tab. Here you will find a
place to select tahe number of partitions and partition sizes. Then, as
you select each area in the partition window, you will be asked to name
each partition. Hit the 'Partition' button, and the utility will make
the partitions you have selected, and will format the disk. When you
quit, both new partition should show on your desktop. With the Mac,
there is no need to reboot at this time. With all working, you can
button the Mac back up and go back to work.

Hi Sara,
On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Sara Garland wrote:

> I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
> Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive, so I
> am looking for recommendations -- I primarily want to make an 80GB
> partition so I can use Carbon Copy Cloner to back up my master drive.
>
> I've read good things about Seagate drives (especially their being
> quiet), but also IBM/Hitatchi's model 180GXP with an 8MB buffer.
>
> Anyone have experiences with either of these two drives?

I have had experience with IBM Deskstar drives and IBM really got a
black eye over the problems with them. I have also used Seagate SCSI
drives in the distant past and they did have some stiction problems
(mostly in our fault-tolerant UNIX servers back in the 90s). For my
money, I'd go for Western Digital Caviar drives....relatively
inexpensive, fast, quiet and reliable in my experience. As always,
YMMV.

> Also, do I need to buy any cables with my drive, or are necessary cables
> already inside my Mac?

I can't help you on that....I only have an iMac right now.
--
Joseph Crowe

In <WK75b.378$K3.3843[at]newsfeed.avtel.net> John wrote:
> Sara Garland wrote:
>> I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
>> Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive, so
>> I am looking for recommendations -- I primarily want to make an 80GB
>> partition so I can use Carbon Copy Cloner to back up my master drive.
>>
>> I've read good things about Seagate drives (especially their being
>> quiet), but also IBM/Hitatchi's model 180GXP with an 8MB buffer.
>>
>> Anyone have experiences with either of these two drives?
>>
>> Also, do I need to buy any cables with my drive, or are necessary
>> cables already inside my Mac?
>
>
> Get a Western Digital drive. By far the best most reliable drives on
> the market.
>
>
>
Well, if you read my post I installed a second hard drive in my PowerMac
dual 1.25 G4. Didn't need a cable since the PowerMac can accomodate two
drives in one are of the case, up to 4 IDE devices support.

I bought a Western Digital 80Gb which was on sale with a $40 mail rebate
after receiving my $100 rebate from my sister graduation gift laptop. I
have used Western Digital drives and as one poster put it they are quiet
and relatively reliable . I have had Seagates and IBMs go out on me. So
far in my personal experience Western has out lasted them all. I mainly
play around with large video files and the 8Mb buffer is a necessity. If
I had the money I would have considered 120Gb instead.

Nearly all boxed harddrives come with the necessary screws you will need
to mount it to your case.

Good luck.

In article <WK75b.378$K3.3843[at]newsfeed.avtel.net>,
John <nospam[at]nospam.com> wrote:
>Sara Garland wrote:
......
>> I've read good things about Seagate drives (especially their being
>> quiet), but also IBM/Hitatchi's model 180GXP with an 8MB buffer.

>> Anyone have experiences with either of these two drives?

>> Also, do I need to buy any cables with my drive, or are necessary
>> cables already inside my Mac?

>Get a Western Digital drive. By far the best most reliable drives on the
>market.

There are potential problems with any drive you pick.
I personally have had the worst luck with Western Digital,
but this experience corresponds to two particular models
and is probably related to altitude sensitivity (we are
at about 5400').


--
Daniel Packman
NCAR/ACD
pack[at]ucar.edu

John wrote:


> Get a Western Digital drive. By far the best most reliable drives on the
> market.
>

absolutely the biggest pieces of shit in the world

I have NEVER seen WD drive NOT fail - inside of 2 years, most inside 1yr

Stick with Seagate, or hitachi

In article <5WadnXkn3-7Q6MuiXTWJiA[at]britsys.net>,
"Fetch, Rover, Fetch" <Fun_Fur[at]KaNine_University.edu> wrote:

> John wrote:
>
>
> > Get a Western Digital drive. By far the best most reliable drives on the
> > market.
> >
>
> absolutely the biggest pieces of shit in the world
>
> I have NEVER seen WD drive NOT fail - inside of 2 years, most inside 1yr
>
> Stick with Seagate, or hitachi

And nearly every Seagate or Hitachi (nee IBM) drive I've owned has died
within the warranty period. Just had an IBM 45 GB drive die 3 days
before the warranty ran out. Awefully considerate of it actually.

Really, there is no hard drive brand that is any worse than the others.
(At least not since Micropolis went under.) I've had drives from every
brand fail at some point. In my experience Quantums have lasted longest,
but that's just me.

--
Chicago, IL
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In article no_email_address[at]hotmail.com (Sara Garland) wrote:

> I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
> Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive, so I
> am looking for recommendations -- I primarily want to make an 80GB
> partition so I can use Carbon Copy Cloner to back up my master drive.
>
> I've read good things about Seagate drives (especially their being
> quiet), but also IBM/Hitatchi's model 180GXP with an 8MB buffer.
>
> Anyone have experiences with either of these two drives?
>
> Also, do I need to buy any cables with my drive, or are necessary cables
> already inside my Mac?

if your after ultra reliablity, and the most quiet... the Samsung
SpinPoint is currently at the top... price is also best for 160GB, $136
which includes shipping.

http://www.comp4us.com/eshop/ids_cate_step2.asp?id=SP1604N&url=%2Findex%2
Easp%3F

Oxford

-

Fetch, Rover, Fetch wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>
>> Get a Western Digital drive. By far the best most reliable drives
>> on the market.
>>
>
> absolutely the biggest pieces of shit in the world
>
> I have NEVER seen WD drive NOT fail - inside of 2 years, most inside
> 1yr
>
> Stick with Seagate, or hitachi


Almost all of my WD drives are older than 2 years. In fact I have never
seen a bonafide defective WD drive. They provide outstanding reliable crash
free performance with Win XP.

On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, John wrote:

> Fetch, Rover, Fetch wrote:
> > John wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Get a Western Digital drive. By far the best most reliable drives
> >> on the market.
> >>
> >
> > absolutely the biggest pieces of shit in the world
> >
> > I have NEVER seen WD drive NOT fail - inside of 2 years, most inside
> > 1yr
> >
> > Stick with Seagate, or hitachi
>
>
> Almost all of my WD drives are older than 2 years. In fact I have never
> seen a bonafide defective WD drive. They provide outstanding reliable crash
> free performance with Win XP.

They provide excellent performance with Windows, Linux, FreeBSD and
MacOS X......I don't know where Fetch got his information but it does
not match my experience, nor anybodys' who I have discussed this with. >
>
>

--
Joseph Crowe

Oxford <csma[at]mac.com> wrote:

> > I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
> > Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive
>
> price is also best for 160GB

No good. See above. Do they make smaller drives?

In article <1g0rsf6.1dquipw1j6i9ssN%no_email_address[at]hotmail.com>,
no_email_address[at]hotmail.com (Sara Garland) wrote:

> Oxford <csma[at]mac.com> wrote:
>
> > > I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
> > > Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive
> >
> > price is also best for 160GB
>
> No good. See above. Do they make smaller drives?

If you partition the drive into two smaller ones, each of which is less
than 120 GB, this ought to work.

In article <FNH5b.435$K3.4184[at]newsfeed.avtel.net>,
"John" <nospam[at]nospam.com> wrote:

> Fetch, Rover, Fetch wrote:
> > John wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Get a Western Digital drive. By far the best most reliable drives
> >> on the market.
> >>
> >
> > absolutely the biggest pieces of shit in the world
> >
> > I have NEVER seen WD drive NOT fail - inside of 2 years, most inside
> > 1yr
> >
> > Stick with Seagate, or hitachi
>
>
> Almost all of my WD drives are older than 2 years. In fact I have never
> seen a bonafide defective WD drive. They provide outstanding reliable crash
> free performance with Win XP.
>
>

Oh, the two are tied together somehow. OK, folks, this pretty much
proves it: John's PCs are so reliable simply because he never attempts
to do anthing on them.

George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net> wrote:

> > Oxford <csma[at]mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
> > > > Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive
> > >
> > > price is also best for 160GB
> >
> > No good. See above. Do they make smaller drives?
>
> If you partition the drive into two smaller ones, each of which is less
> than 120 GB, this ought to work.

But my Mac won't recognize the drive as larger than 128GB in the first
place. Are you sure that it is therefore possible to properly partition
the drive in an older Mac?

In article <1g0sacm.1cdtqxew12j9cN%no_email_address[at]hotmail.com>,
no_email_address[at]hotmail.com (Sara Garland) wrote:

> George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > Oxford <csma[at]mac.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
> > > > > Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive
> > > >
> > > > price is also best for 160GB
> > >
> > > No good. See above. Do they make smaller drives?
> >
> > If you partition the drive into two smaller ones, each of which is less
> > than 120 GB, this ought to work.
>
> But my Mac won't recognize the drive as larger than 128GB in the first
> place. Are you sure that it is therefore possible to properly partition
> the drive in an older Mac?

I think that the Disc Utility will allow you partition an unformated
drive larger than the 120 Gig limit, and that the system will then
access that drive if it has been partitioned into segments each of which
is smaller than 120GB. I really don't know if the Disc Utility will even
let you make a partition bigger than the 120 GB limit.

Correct -

The issue is NOT software (disk utility, or drivers) it is HARDWARE

The IDE controller in 'older' - Macs, does NOT support ATA6 (support for
drives larger than 128gig)

The only solution is to purchase a third pary PCI IDE controller ($35 ->
$50)

I would also check with Apple on this, as I was told by Apple support
that my Dual 500 DOES support ATA6 (larger drives)

Sara Garland wrote:

> George Graves <gmgraves[at]pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>Oxford <csma[at]mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
>>>>>Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive
>>>>
>>>>price is also best for 160GB
>>>
>>>No good. See above. Do they make smaller drives?
>>
>>If you partition the drive into two smaller ones, each of which is less
>>than 120 GB, this ought to work.
>
>
> But my Mac won't recognize the drive as larger than 128GB in the first
> place. Are you sure that it is therefore possible to properly partition
> the drive in an older Mac?

On Thu, 04 Sep 2003 20:29:13 GMT, no_email_address[at]hotmail.com (Sara
Garland) wrote:

>Oxford <csma[at]mac.com> wrote:
>
>> > I am looking to get a second internal drive for my dual-processor
>> > Powemac 800MHz. I read that the hard drive limit is a 120GB drive
>>
>> price is also best for 160GB
>
>No good. See above. Do they make smaller drives?

You can get 120G drives for $60 - CompUSA just had a sale of exactly
that - 7200 rpm 8MB buffer models, too. Maxtor, IIRC. I bought 3 for
a 4x120GB RAID5 array.