I know it's possilbe to put a new fast drive in a computer whose IDE
controller is not up to the task, resulting in corruption or malfunction.

Does anyone know if a Blue and White rev 2 (402 IDE controller) can
handle a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 120 gig Ultra ATA/133 (up to 133
Mbytes/sec) av seek 9.1 msec 7200 rpm?

Thanks
Jim

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:56:50 -0400, Jim Kroger
<jimkkREMOVEME[at]umich.edu> wrote:

>I know it's possilbe to put a new fast drive in a computer whose IDE
>controller is not up to the task, resulting in corruption or malfunction.

Err...no. It won't be that fast, but it certainly won't be corrupt.
Sure, there can be 'bios won't recognize over 127GB' issues and the
like, but that's not the same thing.

>Does anyone know if a Blue and White rev 2 (402 IDE controller) can
>handle a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 120 gig Ultra ATA/133 (up to 133
>Mbytes/sec) av seek 9.1 msec 7200 rpm?

Easily. And don't pay more than $99 for it, $79 if you shop around.

In article <b47khvk2666rcsv7p5hj7rhmoss5mmersj[at]4ax.com>,
foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:

> >I know it's possilbe to put a new fast drive in a computer whose IDE
> >controller is not up to the task, resulting in corruption or malfunction.
>
> Err...no. It won't be that fast, but it certainly won't be corrupt.
> Sure, there can be 'bios won't recognize over 127GB' issues and the
> like, but that's not the same thing.
>
> >Does anyone know if a Blue and White rev 2 (402 IDE controller) can
> >handle a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 120 gig Ultra ATA/133 (up to 133
> >Mbytes/sec) av seek 9.1 msec 7200 rpm?
>
> Easily. And don't pay more than $99 for it, $79 if you shop around.

I recently tried to put an 80GB Western Digital drive into a B&W G3.
This was a 400 MHz machine with an internal SCSI drive. I was
adding the WD drive to the empty ATA internal port. I tried both OS
9 and OS X. I could format and partition the drive, alright, but
when data were written to the drive, it would eventually become
corrupted. I had two different B&W G3 machines, and they both
behaved the same way, so I don't think it was something special to
that particular G3. The drive worked perfectly in a newer graphite
G4, so there was not a problem with that particular drive.

I eventually gave up and found a SCSI drive to use in that machine
instead. I don't know exactly what was the problem. I thought it
might have been the ATA 100/66/33 bus speed switching. Or it might
be that the ATA ports on those B&W G3s (the ones that originally
shipped with LVD Ultra2 SCSI disks) simply don't work.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:00:36 -0500, Ron Shepard
<ron-shepard[at]NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:

>In article <b47khvk2666rcsv7p5hj7rhmoss5mmersj[at]4ax.com>,
> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>
>> >I know it's possilbe to put a new fast drive in a computer whose IDE
>> >controller is not up to the task, resulting in corruption or malfunction.
>>
>> Err...no. It won't be that fast, but it certainly won't be corrupt.
>> Sure, there can be 'bios won't recognize over 127GB' issues and the
>> like, but that's not the same thing.
>>
>> >Does anyone know if a Blue and White rev 2 (402 IDE controller) can
>> >handle a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 120 gig Ultra ATA/133 (up to 133
>> >Mbytes/sec) av seek 9.1 msec 7200 rpm?
>>
>> Easily. And don't pay more than $99 for it, $79 if you shop around.
>
>I recently tried to put an 80GB Western Digital drive into a B&W G3.
>This was a 400 MHz machine with an internal SCSI drive. I was
>adding the WD drive to the empty ATA internal port. I tried both OS
>9 and OS X. I could format and partition the drive, alright, but
>when data were written to the drive, it would eventually become
>corrupted. I had two different B&W G3 machines, and they both
>behaved the same way, so I don't think it was something special to
>that particular G3. The drive worked perfectly in a newer graphite
>G4, so there was not a problem with that particular drive.

Converse: I put a 40G and (at another time) an 80G drive in a
*first-gen* B&W G3 as the only internal IDE drive. It worked fine.

The B&W G3s did not support secondary internal drives (ie a second
internal ATA drive), but since that appeared to be the first I'm not
sure what the problem was. The B&W's IDE is dead-standard IDE/33, so
it should have worked with any drive on the market today (save BIOS
limitations on size).

>I eventually gave up and found a SCSI drive to use in that machine
>instead. I don't know exactly what was the problem. I thought it
>might have been the ATA 100/66/33 bus speed switching. Or it might
>be that the ATA ports on those B&W G3s (the ones that originally
>shipped with LVD Ultra2 SCSI disks) simply don't work.
>
>$.02 -Ron Shepard

Mine shipped with an LVD Ultra2 controller, but not a SCSI disk (at
least, it wasn't present when I got the machine).

In article
<ron-shepard-6EF796.10003620072003[at]news.comcast.giganews.com>,
Ron Shepard <ron-shepard[at]NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:

>
> I recently tried to put an 80GB Western Digital drive into a B&W G3.
> This was a 400 MHz machine with an internal SCSI drive. I was
> adding the WD drive to the empty ATA internal port. I tried both OS
> 9 and OS X. I could format and partition the drive, alright, but
> when data were written to the drive, it would eventually become
> corrupted. I had two different B&W G3 machines, and they both
> behaved the same way, so I don't think it was something special to
> that particular G3. The drive worked perfectly in a newer graphite
> G4, so there was not a problem with that particular drive.

I recently put an 80GB Maxtor drive into my B&W G3. But before I
actually bought the drive, I did a bit of research since I wasn't sure
what to get or what potential problems I may have to watch out for. I
found some very useful information at www.xlr8yourmac.com; in a
nutshell, Rev. 1 B&W machines have a faulty IDE controller chip which
will cause data corruption on many modern hard drives. More info is
available at http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/IDE/ .

The solution they offer is this: "If you have a rev 1 B&W G3, the safest
thing is to buy a PCI IDE controller card when considering
adding/replacing the original drive with a modern, larger model." So I
bought a Sonnet Tempo ATA133 card (http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempo_ata133.html), and connected the new drive to that. It all works like a charm. That
is, except that OS 9 won't boot off of it. Well, if I ever need to boot
OS 9 again (which I haven't really needed to do in at least a year), I
can install it on the old drive, which I still have in the machine.

--
-- Karl J. von Laudermann -- karlvonl(at)rcn.com --
-- <http://www.geocities.com/~karlvonl/> --
"It will take many years, but [Microsoft] will eventually have to compete. It'll
be a whole new world for them. I'm looking forward to it."- Larry Ellison

In article <karlvonl-C2AD1F.19182923072003[at]reader1.news.rcn.net>,
Karl von Laudermann <karlvonl[at]rcn.com.invalid> wrote:

>[...] I
> found some very useful information at www.xlr8yourmac.com; in a
> nutshell, Rev. 1 B&W machines have a faulty IDE controller chip which
> will cause data corruption on many modern hard drives. More info is
> available at http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/yosemite/IDE/ .

Thanks for the info. This is almost certainly the problem on my B&W
machines.

$.02 -Ron Shepard

foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote in message news:<b47khvk2666rcsv7p5hj7rhmoss5mmersj[at]4ax.com>...
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:56:50 -0400, Jim Kroger
> <jimkkREMOVEME[at]umich.edu> wrote:
>
> >I know it's possilbe to put a new fast drive in a computer whose IDE
> >controller is not up to the task, resulting in corruption or malfunction.
>
> Err...no. It won't be that fast, but it certainly won't be corrupt.
> Sure, there can be 'bios won't recognize over 127GB' issues and the
> like, but that's not the same thing.
>
> >Does anyone know if a Blue and White rev 2 (402 IDE controller) can
> >handle a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 120 gig Ultra ATA/133 (up to 133
> >Mbytes/sec) av seek 9.1 msec 7200 rpm?
>
> Easily. And don't pay more than $99 for it, $79 if you shop around.


Thanks foo, I ended up not getting the B&W, was a rev 1. So will the
above hard drive work with a 233mhz rev 1 Beige G3 desktop?

Thanks much!
Jim

Ron Shepard <ron-shepard[at]NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message news:<ron-shepard-6EF796.10003620072003[at]news.comcast.giganews.com>...
> In article <b47khvk2666rcsv7p5hj7rhmoss5mmersj[at]4ax.com>,
> foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote:
>
> > >I know it's possilbe to put a new fast drive in a computer whose IDE
> > >controller is not up to the task, resulting in corruption or malfunction.
> >
> > Err...no. It won't be that fast, but it certainly won't be corrupt.
> > Sure, there can be 'bios won't recognize over 127GB' issues and the
> > like, but that's not the same thing.
> >
> > >Does anyone know if a Blue and White rev 2 (402 IDE controller) can
> > >handle a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 120 gig Ultra ATA/133 (up to 133
> > >Mbytes/sec) av seek 9.1 msec 7200 rpm?
> >
> > Easily. And don't pay more than $99 for it, $79 if you shop around.
>
> I recently tried to put an 80GB Western Digital drive into a B&W G3.
> This was a 400 MHz machine with an internal SCSI drive. I was
> adding the WD drive to the empty ATA internal port. I tried both OS
> 9 and OS X. I could format and partition the drive, alright, but
> when data were written to the drive, it would eventually become
> corrupted. I had two different B&W G3 machines, and they both
> behaved the same way, so I don't think it was something special to
> that particular G3. The drive worked perfectly in a newer graphite
> G4, so there was not a problem with that particular drive.
>
> I eventually gave up and found a SCSI drive to use in that machine
> instead. I don't know exactly what was the problem. I thought it
> might have been the ATA 100/66/33 bus speed switching. Or it might
> be that the ATA ports on those B&W G3s (the ones that originally
> shipped with LVD Ultra2 SCSI disks) simply don't work.
>
> $.02 -Ron Shepard



Do you know if you had the rev 2 board in them? The IDE controller
would have said "402" on it...

Jim

On 25 Jul 2003 18:56:13 -0700, kroger[at]princeton.edu (Jim Kroger)
wrote:

>foo <foo[at]bar.com> wrote in message news:<b47khvk2666rcsv7p5hj7rhmoss5mmersj[at]4ax.com>...
>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:56:50 -0400, Jim Kroger
>> <jimkkREMOVEME[at]umich.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >I know it's possilbe to put a new fast drive in a computer whose IDE
>> >controller is not up to the task, resulting in corruption or malfunction.
>>
>> Err...no. It won't be that fast, but it certainly won't be corrupt.
>> Sure, there can be 'bios won't recognize over 127GB' issues and the
>> like, but that's not the same thing.
>>
>> >Does anyone know if a Blue and White rev 2 (402 IDE controller) can
>> >handle a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 120 gig Ultra ATA/133 (up to 133
>> >Mbytes/sec) av seek 9.1 msec 7200 rpm?
>>
>> Easily. And don't pay more than $99 for it, $79 if you shop around.
>
>
>Thanks foo, I ended up not getting the B&W, was a rev 1. So will the
>above hard drive work with a 233mhz rev 1 Beige G3 desktop?

It will work. As another poster said, it won't be quite as fast as it
could be, and watch out for the 8GB boot partition limitation, but it
will work fine.